Combining OP mats - IDEAS FOR RYZOM - Ryzom Community Forum

#16 Added by Placio 7 years ago [en]

I'd just be happy turning my 250 q50s into 50 q150s :P those might be easier to give away. So yes going from only q50s to q250 should be wildly inefficient, but lower levels not so bad- or from q200-q250 costly but not too ridiculous...

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#17 Added by Zvorax 7 years ago [fr]

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C'est une bonne idée pour relancer l'intérêt de ces 'petits' op cela redonnerait de la vie sur atys et de belles batailles.

Si on ne souhaite pas de combinaisons alors on bloque les attaques sur les niveaux.

Exemple un attaquant au dessus de 50 ne pourrait pas attaquer un ap 50

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#18 Added by Zagh 7 years ago Multilingual

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I think that's a good idea.

I also think the proposed rates are too low:
- Much more OP material per increase

I think dappers are necessary (and in quantity).
- One could establish this for example to 10% of the price of the drill of Q100 when one wants to pass from Q50 to Q100 by test of increase.

I think it would be necessary to limit the increase of level with a functioning in this kind:
- A Q50 item could be transmitted in Q100 with a 100% chance of success.
- This item Q100 transmuted once would then have only a 50% chance of being transmuted again in Q150.
- This item Q150 (transmuted twice already) would have only 25% chance of success to be transmuted in Q200.
- This item Q200 (transmuted 3 times) would have only 12.5% chance of success to be transmuted in Q250.

- An original Q100 item (not from the increase of an item Q50) would have him, 100% chance of success to become Q150. The transmuted Q150 item here would have 50% to be Q200. The item Q200 transmuted 2 times would thus have 25% to be Q250.

- An original Q150 item (not from the increase of a Q100 item) would have him, 100% chance of success to become Q200. The Q200 transmuted item would here have 50% to be Q250.

- Except: A natural Q200 item would have a maximum of 75% chance of becoming a transmuted Q250 item.

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#19 Added by Bitttymacod 7 years ago [en]

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FF -- Amen -- it needs to be expensive.

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#20 Added by Ekoh 7 years ago [fr]

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Ce serait plus simple d'avoir une règle commune.


| 50 > 100 | 100 > 150 | 150 > 200 | 200 > 250 |
| 75%      | 37.5%     | 18.75%    | 9.375%    |
| -        | 75%       | 37.5%     | 18.75%    |
| -        | -         | 75%       | 37.5%     |
| -        | -         | -         | 75%       |

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#21 Added by Remigra 7 years ago [de]

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sieht gut aus die liste :)

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#22 Added by Bitttymacod 7 years ago [en]

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I do not understand your grid Ekoh. What are the labels for the rows?

If it is predicated on knowing if a q100 OP mat came out of the ground or was made from q50's, that is against all reason. The reason we are combining mats is to make ones that are indistinguishable from the ones that come out of the ground.

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#23 Added by Ekoh 7 years ago [en]

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I've made this grid with Zagh's comment in mind, but you're right, counting transmutation is confusing and unneeded.

So only first row is useful, with a little change.


| 50 > 100 | 100 > 150 | 150 > 200 | 200 > 250 |
| 75%      | 57%       | 43%       | 33%       |

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#24 Added by Zagh 7 years ago Multilingual

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I persist in thinking that an unnatural matter must behave differently from a natural matter, especially in terms of fragility.

An advantage must be maintained in having a high-level outpost.

For me the idea is simple. The more one transmutes a natural matter to increase it in quality and the more it will be subject to destruction. Hence the interest of having a cross table as presented by Ekoh following my answer.

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#25 Added by Ekoh 7 years ago Multilingual

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That's mean that it'll be added 80 derivated mats for the 8 OP mats, it's substantial !

1 Mats q50 1 original
2 Mats q100 1 original + 1 transmuted
3 Mats q150 1 original + 2 transmuted
4 Mats q200 1 original + 3 transmuted
5 Mats q250 1 original + 4 transmuted

Unless it's possible to add as a descriptive information the number of mats transmutation.

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