DISCUSSIONS AROUND ONGOING PROJECTS

Btw., why should it worry a f2p to receive mats of higher quality? That does not follow at all, they can do everything with those mats no less than with mats of their own level, even more, they may try to sell them to other players at a, say 2000% rate, which is 880 dapper/mat at q250 as compared to 40 dap/mat for q50 stuff. Btw, "degrade crafting" aka overcrafting is great for craft skill leveling.

But, what I *have* done is exactly what I said: pick up a guildie or a random person whose level is 10+, brought them to careplan my nodes, and do it until they're level 45-55. That is purpose enough to make me dig a bit. However, if taking a careplanner means digging q150 mats.. those are pointless to me.

I consider that statement polemic, untruthful and close to a violation of forum rules. Of course there may be some who deeply dislike the loss or uselessnesss of their f2p helper account and don't speak out, but it is not up to you to judge upon whether or not the criticism is "honest".

I frequently read in uni that higher level diggers were asking for CPers. That won't be possible anymore with the recent change. As I experienced on uni, CP applications were serviced faster than calls for CPers. Not few of those accepting a real player CPer let their f2p alt pause during such activies.

Magez: Maybe you don't get it but it is insulting to call other players dishonest. And you have no right to judge that way. You have no data whatsoever about who is criticizing the change for their own gain (which is not illegitimate at all), for the sake of f2p players, or for the sake of the players' community as a whole. Personally, I could care wet shit about f2p CPers being nerfed as my CP (or the one I am CPing for) is fully subbed, and Spirit of the Bark like me (so I accepted low level CPers only for instruction purposes as they cannot gain xp when CPing for me, only by prospecting).

Next: It is ridiculous to expect that digging masters who are in need of q250 mats will accept digging q150 mats. And those still leveling at lvl 160 and above would get some 5 or 9 xp per digging for q150 mat which would render digging xp worthless for both the higher level digger and the freemium CPer, even if the higher level digger would accept to dig q150. It seems to me that you are completely unaware about what you are speaking about. It is complete nonsense that "the freemium is completely fine" with getting no xp.

You simply haven't understood relevant parts of game mechanics and are speaking out somewhat too loud for that. Sorry to have to say that.

You seem not to understand. If I (or Diwu for that case) with my lvl250 in all 5 ecos harvest, no matter which quality from 1..250, I get 0xp (not even 5 or 9 xp like a lvl 160..249 digger harvesting mat below her skill at q150 or lower). Any CPer in team would get exactly as much, namely 0xp. This is same from my perspective as a subbed player as from that of a f2p player.

Btw, "freemium" or f2p is not equal (!=) lvl 1..125, as there are not few player characters who are subbed from lvl 1 on (e.g. all up to 4 character slots of a subbed account which have not been developped simultaneously). That players who unsubbed do not get xp above lvl 125 is trivial.

Btw. digging q1 is very hard, just as a remark :)

"hey devs, i met this lvl1 guy that came from silan right away, i like him hes my friend, can you not make the rules apply to him to we can play together at my level content, k thnx"

Yes, if one is lvl 250, one does not get xp anymore. The only way to get "points" is having dp being worked off. That does help a teamed helper, no matter whether healer, damage dealer, or CPer, only in case if she has DP, too. With that strange q150 rule, this will not be the case anymore, or only some ten to hundred dp being worked off every digging instead of up to seventy thousand.

To earn xp while digging, one has to dig at qualities usually from up 10 quality degrees above the own level to at most 10 degrees below. Higher above (possible if you are higher in a different eco) is not sensible as the failures destroy more than the "overdigging" benefits, lower below leads to very low xp, down to 5..9xp for qualities 20+ below level. So CPing earns XP only with diggers below lvl 250 digging -10..+10 around their level.

Until the recent change, a CPer could assist any such digger. A formerly subbed freemium with digging levels above 145 would not earn her xp even if the recent nerfing would not exist. Equally, an unsubbed melee with levels above 145 would not earn her xp when healing or fighting alongside. Even a subbed, say lvl 150 melee or mage attacking a, say lvl 130 foe in team would not earn xp. Such is the mechanics of team play.

But so far, most lower level players, no matter whether f2p or not, could contribute to lvl grinding teams. A CPer of, say lvl 30..70, could use her limited ground stability skills to prevent gas/explo most times and earn the same xp as her lvl 125..249 teammate. Similarly, every small player may assist stronger players as e.g. a healer in grinding teams fighting lvl248 kinchers/najabs, 247 hornchers, 250 plods/shalahs, 251 cuttlers, or 255 jugulas.

The good thing with that is the bond between even fairly low level and nearly highest level players. This bond is cut when nerfing the ability of lower level players to cooperate in team.

As told, all that does not apply to masters. Yet, digging masters may allow small harvesters to prospect for them. This aspect, fortunately, has not been nerfed.

"hey devs, i met this lvl1 guy that came from silan right away, i like him hes my friend, can you not make the rules apply to him to we can play together at my level content, k thnx"

A level 1 coming from Silan did a stupid move, btw., and it is hard to support her appropriately as a lvl 1 will have neither healing nor CPing abilities and has to work hard to get at least close to one who passed all Silan tests, being lvl35 min in melee or magic, and lvl 21 at minimum in all the rest. But the devs had made the rules apply to support even low level characters. The CP nerfing was an architectural breach of these rules.

One thing at the end: Please do not think that I argue out of arrogance or contempt. I value your thoughts and your interest in many aspects of the game and acknowledge that you have good knowledge and sane ideas about much of it. As far as I feel you to be in error, I consider these errors worth while the effort to be corrected. Btw, I don't claim to be always right.

So many reply just to say that's many players can't dig without help..

It's just a matter of choice !

I do respect people who make real choice. ..

For me, it's one of the good way to fight agains alts/bots.