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#31 Report | Quote[en] 

Question withdrawn :) Moving on.

Edited 2 times | Last edited by Beeficus (5 years ago)

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#32 Report | Quote[en] 

If a man can pay for and run 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 toons at a time who is anyone to say he cannot use them all at once for the gain of guild and other players in the community? Dont bash a man simply because he can play the game better and do things you simply cannot do alone.... makes no sense.

Anyone can sit and cry, "omg he killed me on his main wile is alt healed him" wow really get over it, you must of killed me what 6 times or more last war and i killed you, OMG let me go complain and ticket you for it, NO, its called a game and fun.

Grow up and let the man run as many toons as he wants, if you cant then dont complain about it, and if you have that big of an issue get your paper up so you can pay for all those subs and work just as hard as he did to GAIN ALL THOSE MASTERS for ALL those toons.

More power to you beef, Goodluck.

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#33 Report | Quote[en] 

Well Beeficus, it looks like lots of homins have come to your aid. Many have defended you :)

I think its important to point out that Beeficus and his beefy alts also help other players. They are not just used for selfish gain. He helps players like me, who have otherwise felt isolated (up until recently), find a full team to do things like plods or Pei. He doesn't just help people in his guild or in his faction, either.

So, since he is helping others, I would like to think that his beefy, McMeaty army is fine with the community.

Cheers to moving on

Lessah <3

#34 Report | Quote[fr] 

Quand je pense qu'à une époque, nous avions des discussions sur l'aspect "fair play" d'avoir un alt soigneur ...

Je n'ai aucun procès à faire à personne, mais l'utilisation en simultané d'autant de alt par le même joueur me dérange un peu.
C'est juste mon ressenti, et pas une attaque personnelle.

Ensuite, ce n'est pas aux joueurs de faire la police sur le jeu, ou d'avoir de mauvais comportements, parce que quelque chose les dérange. Si c'est autorisé, bravo pour l'énorme dextérité que ça doit représenter, même si pour moi, ça n'a aucun intérêt.

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[EN]While I want to emphasize that I never criticized multiboxing, as long as it is inside the rules and CoC, I would like to remind (as an answer to Talkirc and Lilz) how the restrictions to at most 4 characters allowed to be played at a time arose.

The three former servers had different traditions and rules. As Mermaidia already mentioned, multiboxing beyond two characters playing together was forbidden and considered cheating on Aniro, even playing with two characters was frowned upon by many, to the extent that some believed it were forbidden as well (that, in fact was not the case, even on Aniro).

On Leanon, playing two characters together had become commonplace, and prove useful under conditions of a considerably small community (Leanon had the smallest player community of the three servers). Playing with more than two players at a time was uncommon, though (except a third "rescue character" parked close to delicate locations), and excessive use of large packs of multiboxed characters, as observed on Arispotle, was considered abusive and very seldom (I recall that extended alt use during OP wars led to complaints of cheating).

On Arispotle, indeed, a couple of players seem to have played multiboxed crowds of characters. I do not know how the former Arispotle community as a whole thought about, yet I caught some grumblling vibrations from some players as well. But in general, it does not seem to have been considered a big deal.

To put that straight: It is undeniable that playing a multiplicity of clients in a multiwindowed environment is possible, and not even overly hard, without usage of any illicit utilities. The focus follows mouse behavior is a common option in all Unix style X-Windows graphical user interfaces, and may be configured under MS Windows and Mac OS as well. The rest is macro configuration, and fanning over a set of windows while pressing a key (ideally always the same) multiple times. I once tried it, as a proof of concept, and did not find it difficult (in my eyes, it is boring, and killing athmosphere and roleplay, but this is a different question and left to anybody's taste and decision).

All that became a real problem after the fusion. Then, the three communities with their very different attitudes towards multiboxing, and a number of other differing customary habits were lumped together which erupted in a considerable number of conflicts which are still not all reconciled.

This situation was worsened by the scarcity of valuable harvested and looted items, excellent and supreme raw materials in particular, after the fusion. Before, practically all guildhalls and other storage of most guilds and long term players were overcrowded with valuables of any kind, larger guilds had up to ten additional storage GH, even normal players had several of them on auxiliary characters. After the fusion, with considerably more players than ever in the three or four years before, and with empty storage everywhere, gaining better materials became a highly contested occupation. Running around with a full team of multiboxed alts appeared not only as cheating, but as theft in addition, hence the fevered complaints, especially by players who saw such behaviour the first time.

The decision by the CSR team I already cited was a wise compromise, as I assume, found only after intense discussions. Inaction, as Talkirc proposes, might have lead to the mass exodus of tens of active and dedicated players, mainly from the french community, and lasting strife and conflicts. And imperfect as it might have been, I fail to see a reasonable alternative to this decision.

Nowadays, the situation is ways more relaxed. I am therefore against any accusation or harassment against those choosing to play with multiple characters. Those who do should be aware, though, that their style is not liked by everybody.

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A few notes, I was not present when the conflict arose, nevertheless I think I have some direct standing in order to comment:

1. When you go ahead and cry in Universe about "kami players being <this> and <that>" (whiny, entitled, etc) - I feel targeted. I am kami. I did not participate in the war. Please feel free to name & shame if you feel like it, but going at it about the entire faction feels slightly tasteless.

2. Your actions did not impact only the parties to the war. Any person wanting to travel would face the slowness of NH, created not by normal wear down from players, but manually by a very specific group of players. In short, doing this interfered with the other player's enjoyment of the game.

Naturally, you argue that this is an intended mechanic and as such valid. However, the mechanic is presumably implemented in order to provide an extra incentive for players to feed the transporters. Neither you nor me (or any other player) know what Winch Gate intended. Had I been online at the time of the war, I would have raised a ticket myself, just to find out if this kind of forced wear-out is indeed sanctioned by GMs.

3. We have absolutely no need or reason to "know you" before your actions are questioned. Asylum used to be reported for soloing the NPC bosses, yet I didn't hear them cry about it. Nice of you to explain humblebrag about your gaming achievements, though.

Good game :)

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#37 Report | Quote[en] 

Moving on.

Last edited by Beeficus (5 years ago)

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#38 Report | Quote[en] 

What I find hilarious Beefie (and you might too) is that Yenno was banned for botting 2 toons training. If I remember correctly it was around the time you took that screenshot actually!

Good post and points- but we don't have to worry about Kami tears any more as their numbers are back :P

Also that NH trick is absolute genius. Big +1 for that.

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Virg!!! Hi!

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Sari!!! Are you back?? How have you been??

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