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27 juillet 2015

1 Projet de musique pour Ryzom

Gaueko : "Il y a quelques semaines, j'ai discuté avec Gorias au sujet de mon travail dans la Lore Team en rapport aux maraudeurs. Et nous avons noté que nous partagions une même idée.
Nous pensons tous les deux qu'il y a un manque de musique sur Atys. La musique que chaque race joue lors de ses festivités, pour s'amuser ou se relaxer. La musique est la chose la plus importante dans toute culture, et celles de Ryzom doivent avoir la leur aussi !!
Donc après quelques jours de discussions, nous avons décidé de démarrer un projet au sein de l'Équipe Lore pour écrire une "Lore musicale". Ça sera long. Nous nous sommes concentrés sur la théorie des sons pour l'instant. Comment les sons se propagent-ils sur Atys. Comment l'environnement afffecte le son. Comment les homins cmprennent-ils le son et à quel moment ont-ils commencé à créer du son avec des instruments basiques, et comment ces instruments ont évolué. 
En résumé, pour le moment c'est juste un travail de l'Équipe Lore. Mais bien sûr, Gorias et moi partageons le même rêve. Un jour, cette Lore deviendra une réalité du jeu. Peut-être des homins jouant des instruments ? Peut-être un nouveau PNJ avec des nouvelles missions liées au son ?
Je parlais avec Tamarea d'une Équipe Musique, et bien sûr un Groupe Musique dans RF serait super, ainsi nous pourrions commencer à partager nos idées pour faire avancer notre rêve. Nous pensons qu'une équipe musique et un groupe musique sur RF seraient très bien et nous pouvons commencer a avoir des idées et à les partager.
je suis moi meme un musicien, et je suis impatient d'écrire des chants. Mais comme je l'ai dit, c'est pour l'instant juste un travail de Lore. Je ne veux décevoir personne, mais je veux m'assurer que la Lore créée soit bonne pour être sûr de savoir quels genres d'instruments utiliser, et quel type de musique les Zoraïs peuvent aimer."

Q: Il existe des instruments de musique dessinés dans les concept arts !
R : Oui, c'est vrai. Mais nous revérifions tout cela. Ces instruments ne sont qu'une idée. Il n'y a rien sur la Lore à leur propos.

Q :  Je joue avec le son coupé sinon mon client plante quand j'entre ou je sors d'une ville ou de mon hall de guilde, est-ce qu'on pourrait corriger ça ? 
R : C'est vrai, on regardera l'implémentation quand on aura fini la Lore.

Q : Mais c'est avant tout la définition des partitions de chaque nation, ou autre chose ?
R :  Non, ça c'est la dernière partie. Nous travaillons d'abord la physique de la musique, comment le son se déplace, comment il affecte les races et leur culture. Ensuite, quand nous aurons termminé la "Théorie du Son", nous commencerons le travail au niveau de chaque race. Les instruments par exemple, et ensuite pourquoi pas écrire des partitions pour chaque race et faction.
Je comprends qu'attendre que la Lore soit terminée est frustrant alors que nous avons déjà de bonnes idées, j'en ai beaucoup par exemple, mais nous devons procéder par étapes pour éviter les problèmes futurs. J'espère que ceux qui partagent notre rêve sont contents de savoir que ce projet a déjà débuté. J'espère aussi que nous pourrons travailler ensemble plus tard pour faire de très beaux ajouts. Je vous demande juste d'être patients.

Q :  Il y a des idées sur le forum pour permettre au joueurs de jouer des instruments en jeu.
R :  La lore musicale n'existe pas, Gorias et moi-même travaillons dessus. Nous avons commencé il y a quelques semaines et nous pensons que c'est mieux de terminer cette Lore avant de commencer à travailler sur l'implémentation de musique en jeu.
S'il n'y pas d'autres questions, je n'ai rien à ajouter. Bien sûr si vous avez des questions plus tard, n'hésitez pas à m'écrire gaueko@ryzom.com ou à me joindre sur IRC.

Edited 4 times | Last edited by Tamarea (5 years ago)

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Tamarea
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#2 Multilingual 

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17th of august 2015

1 Creation of a Music Group Ryzom forge

We are going to make a Musical Project. For this we will first create Ryzom Forge Music Group. 
The Music Team will born in the future, we are still working on it with the Musical Lore. 
The manager of this Music Group will be Gaueko.
The common places for communicaton will be IRC, #ryzomforge or the specific channel #ryzommusic, the sub-forum that will be created, and of course Ryzom Forge Wiki.

General objectives
The role of both, the Team and the Group, will be to create the music of Ryzom and the ambiental sounf of the game itslef. The difference betwen them will be that the Team will take care of the Musical Lore (Scores, faction music, lyrics etc) and the RF group will create the ambiental music and the ambiental sounds of the game (I will explain more in few).

Ryzom Forge Music Group objectives
We have two main goals: Creation of background music and atmospheric sounds. The background music will be used for the missions and rites. This means we will create music to give a quiet atmosphere, frightening one, joyfull one etc.
And the atmospheric sounds are the objects do when we interact with them. 
Footsteps, a crate that is opened or broken, the wind, the breeze, the sound of the insects, maybe the sound of an animal that chase us... In the end, give to the background a more realistic sound experience, even if the one we have is good one, but we can improve it!!
For this, we will need to create music and sound files that later we will implement in game. We still don´t have a place to storage them but as soon as we have a place for it it will be told. The files we create must be created under CC-BY-SA license.

Q: Will it be possible to activate/deactivate the music according to ones prefereces, while still having the sounds of the nature? Managing music and sounds separately in the client ?
A: Dev should answer to you Zatalyz, but I guess it could be possible. Of course, musicians will need to co-work with developers too.
A of YannK: I'll speak about it later for the graphic assets, but a deposit with version management (under mercurial) for the sounds can be considered really quickly. 

Q: How to link these music and sounds to a place, an object, an action... from a dev point of view?
A of YannK:
First, I want to mention that my knowledge is very empiric regarding sounds in RC, I haven't had much occasion to make a lot of tests.
That being said, from what I know, there are two kinds of usages for sounds: through primitives and through datasheets. Till there it's all very normal.
The datasheet part is linked to an animation: the sound (.sound file) is linked to the application of an animation (.anim file), which tells it how it should appear, with which gradation, at which time, etc.
This .anim file itself is linked to a visible object in the 3D part of the client, a .creature.
Don't be mistaken by the .anim or creature name. It can be an event where nothing is moving or an object which isn't a creature :) For example the tower near Chiang on Silan is a .creature.
But genereally speaking, it lets you know when a sound should be emitted in order to be synchronised with what the player is seing: so ensure that the box creaks when opening it, the engine can make it with no problem at all.
He sounds created when walking depend on the kind of ground if I'm well remembered, so except if creating a new map with new environmental textures, it will probably be difficult to change the footsteps, because it would imply to change the sound of all the places where the textures is used (to be checked).
You've understood it, skills of the characters call for .anim animations, which themselves start .sound, so it is possible to link a sound to a character animation easily. The difficulty is to create new kinds of animation, because it requires to change the code on BOTH client and server sides.
The other way to manage a sound is through primitives: on the map you can place environment sounds, sometimes on very small places, but there again lots of set-ups since we call actually datasheets which themselves give lots of set-ups to the original .wav.
This sounds may change automacially (day/night cycle for example or depending on the weather) or they can be linked to external triggers, either them being environmental or related to a mission. Everything can be set-up (but it's sensitive and will require lots of tweaks).
All of this to tell you that the system allows a lot of things (which explains the wealth of what already exists :) ) but there's a very big problem:  It seems there's no .wav nor .sound source file anywhere (and more or less all datasheets are linked to sounds). Which explains why nothing was released when the graphical assets have been.
So it's not possible for example to change the existing particle systems (because they often call for .sound), nor change anything already existing in term of sound background. Any change will have to be a re-creation from scratch, including the base .wav files.
We'll have also to consider the question of creating datasheets linked to sounds, knowing that we have no complex example to understand their exact way of working. So documenting it will be long (documentation of the datasheets on which I'm working).

Call for musicians is launched!

Edited 3 times | Last edited by Gaueko (8 years ago)

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Tamarea
Ryzom Team Manager
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28th of september 2015

1 Creation of new ambience music
Gaueko: "I have posted in the Music Group some usefull links to free sound sites. Even if we can create our owns, better if we try to get what is already free for all in the internet to use them in the future. If you know any other free sites, no matter the language, please post it there.In other hand, I want to start  working in some ambient music for the game. I will try to have something  for this week, but I can´t promise nothing. I am talking with Tamarea  to decide where we could add this new files till we have a better place.  If any one wants to start making ambient music, or if already has  something recorded, let me know so we can add those files of yours to  the same place.I call to any musician that wants to join me in this adventure!If you want to contact me for any of this topics, or for any other music related topic : gaueko@ryzom.com"

Q: did ou kept an eye on licences there?
A: I did. But if you find any problem with them, notify me too.

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Gaueko
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05th of October 2015

1 Creation of new music:
Gaueko has created some ambient songs for the game. 

Gaueko: Once we have a place to share with all we will inform you. Maybe someone gets inspired to join me! And I call again for musicians or interested people that wants to join me, in the Group or in the Team.

Q: did you inspire from the music when we enter a city?
A: No. The work we are tasked to make in the Music Group is to make ambient music for the missions / game. For example, if the mission tells you to "visit" Primary Roots, you get a horror song when you enter on Primary Roots. Missions, or could be music triggered when entering a region too, but music that will be of joy, horror or action. The music you hear when you enter a city, could be of inspiration for the Music Team when witting songs for each race. But that will depend on the Musical Lore we are working on by now. Missions, or could be music triggered when entering a region too, but music that will be of joy, horror or action.

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Gaueko
Communications Manager Assistant - Translation Team Manager, Lore Team Member - ES/EN


gaueko@ryzom.com

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19th of October 2015

Q: How to add a CC licence on new sound/music content? Is it enough to use Asana or Dropbox to share them in a "CC-by-SA music" file?
A Shepeng: you have to read the user licence of Asana and Dropbox to know this.Tools don't need to be free, but sometimes user licences are very restrictives.

Q: Place the musics in a directory called "Sound and music CC-BY-SA is not sufficient? Does the storage tool need also to have this licence?
A Shepeng: From my point of view, it's better to use a deposit, Bitbucket or other. Khanat proposes also to do it. 

- Riasan (Ark team) is asked for helping the Music group. He makes tests to add new sound/music ingame, so searches a way to play music/sound during missions and tries to add new music when entering a region.Here are Riasan's words: "Gaueko asked me if I know a way to add new music ingame. I look and founded a good way to add and play some music ingame using Ark. I made some tests and it works but it's not really something what I can show to others (only code not finished). I will try to add new music when a player enter a zone (like music by entering Yrkanis)."

PtitBill: I would be very interested for future projects, making sounds will give better atmosphere!

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Gaueko
Communications Manager Assistant - Translation Team Manager, Lore Team Member - ES/EN


gaueko@ryzom.com

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2nd of November 2015 

PtitBill: I think i'll call for Music group to add sounds on some actions in ongoing projects. We will need a database of sounds.

Zendae: The label "Music Group" is a bit false, because they are also in charge of sound effets. Maybe we cold rename it "Audio Group"?

Edited 2 times | Last edited by Gaueko (8 years ago)

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Gaueko
Communications Manager Assistant - Translation Team Manager, Lore Team Member - ES/EN


gaueko@ryzom.com

#7 Multilingual 

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16th of November 2015

1 Sounds datasheets
Tamarea: The sounds datasheets have been found back! But for now they aren't released, I'm waiting to know the licence. But the ones who looked at them in the the team have applauded, it seems that there is everything which was missing us. We can apparently specify sounds variations for one species of mob, so that for example the males have a lower voice which can be heard from further. To be seen if we can use it!

Q:  Additions will be possible, I think?
A: Yes, that's what we're aiming at!

PtitBill: I need a lot of sound effects.

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Gaueko
Communications Manager Assistant - Translation Team Manager, Lore Team Member - ES/EN


gaueko@ryzom.com

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8th of february 2016

Gaueko: We had the problem of where to host the new sounds or ambience songs RF group could create and compose, and that the files have the proper CC license with them. Kunitake talked with me last week, he was interested to help us and he told me he has a solution that could help us.

Kunitake: You said me that we had a problem with license and where to upload it. So I asked to a pro dev i know very good (who worked for Voxtok). He said me literally that you were complicating the task. So, he told me that it was very simple. Open a repository on bitbucket (or github whatever) and just make a branch for your assets, in this case it's the music. You put an archive and into this archive you put the license, or simply, add files with the license.txt on the repository. Thats this little file you see in many projects on many repo. That looks kinda idiot i know but in 30 years of career he said he never had any problems with it. Just include the license with the file and it's ready. So i did this partially (quite simple) at https://bitbucket.org/Noyd/ryzomaudio/src.

Gaueko: Thanks a lot for the solution Kunitake. I will bring the idea to the Ryzom Team, but I agree this one is the easiest solution, for RF Music and for Music Team one.

Last edited by Tamarea (8 years ago)

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Tamarea
Ryzom Team Manager
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tamarea@ryzom.com

#9 Multilingual 

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7th of march 2016

Gaueko: Does someone something to ask or add about this?
Ptitbill: I need some noise for projects.
Gaueko: The Music Team and Group are by now not working until we create the storageing "problem". But maybe I can try to speed up this and we can create those sounds.

Q: You know how to add new sounds? We've had some troubles, on our side, with the tools...
A: About your question Zatalyz, talk with Riasan. When I created the Music Team he made some experiments by his own to add music and sounds. Maybe he can guide you better.

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Gaueko
Communications Manager Assistant - Translation Team Manager, Lore Team Member - ES/EN


gaueko@ryzom.com
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