open discussion about the path of ryzoms future - English

#16 Added by Zehrix 9 years ago Report | Quote [en]

Good evening :)

I know that is no point to talk here but.. I will try.
(btw, I am the one who is Talkirc talking about)
Talkirc, first of all, our guild, Pandemonium, said sorry about the incident. We didn't mean to aggro drag on you and your 'peaceful' team and I wouldn't kill you if I would know the 'We are one' situation (the one about the OPs) .

You're absolutly right, we were unrespectful and rude but ! 2-3 weeks ago, Tamarea (if I'm not wrong) posted the new rules about the a faction being in another opposive faction's guild. So, your situation about this is forbbiden accordin to the Code of Conduct. So we didn't break any rules (and don't tell me that I told 'empty exuses' about the aggro drag, I said sorry to the whole team and I said that I WILL COME BACK.). I don't feel good about myself thinking about that I killed a treking team with a new player willing to learn about the game and I'm sorry about it. And I'm sorry that you want to leave the game.

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#17 Added by Zehrix 9 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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Wanted to add some more:

We are new in the kami facion. There is no post in the kami forum about your GL's situation. I wouldn't attacked you if I was informed about it.

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#18 Added by Virg 9 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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Virg (atys)
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My opinion is to remove forced PvP out of the game, there are many area's in ryzom that is just been build to not play on.

There is no such thing as forced PVP. It doesn't exist.

If you go into certain areas of PR, you are tagged for PvP by the game. That is forced PvP in my book and I don't accept the argument I know comes next which is "don't go there then". :o)

No one is forcing you to enter those areas ^^

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#19 Added by Klayton 9 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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ryzom is going to die anyway,
its not the first thread abot the ryzom future and of course not the last.
nothing changed for years. the result will be the same anyway.

#20 Added by Talkirc 9 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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it was a heated moment zehrix, we all reacted poorly. i consider the issue as being settled at this point, i thank you for posting here, to me that's a show of good faith and that the event in pr was an accident caused by lack of information. i would also like to say that i'm sorry for the way that i reacted, it was very bad of me to act that way regardless of the events that transpired.

virg: first i love ya man so please don't get mad at me for this:

if one reads the fearutes page on the main ryzom page it clearly says: "Consensual PvP" to anyone that's played MMO's that means that the game will NEVER force you to do pvp unless you choose to "tag up", since there are forced pvp zones and the wording under the "consensual pvp" is vague at best, perhpas the site should update the post to be clearer in what "consensual pvp" means. part of what made me personally want to play ryzom was this very feature. i wanted a game where player vs player did not prevent a player from enjoying everything the game has to offer PvE wise. then i learned that i could NOT enjoy the full PvE parts of the game due to forced pvp regions. (and i know you will say that there are parts of PR that do not have forced PvP, but the minute they make a region forced pvp, it becomes a limit to the players that only want pve.)
i also feel that forced pvp zones restrict a player (like myself) that would like to see and explore all of atys. there are NO pvp points given in forced pvp zones (which is good because that would only make random pointless attacks happen more) so the only reason to attack a peaceful homin in a forced pvp zone is to make the play of that player harder, thus turning them away from various regions. while most players will not attack a peaceful homin in a forced pvp zone, there are others that will take advantage of the chance to kill someone for NO reason other then because they can.
i do understand that forced pvp for super nodes is a structured part of the game, but the better setting for this would be to make the region forced pvp ONLY as long as there are super node mat's to be had. or say the first 12 hours after a season change or server reset.

anyway, that's a little off the main topic but still on it some ways as well.

talk

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#21 Added by Djaimse 9 years ago Report | Quote [fr]

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Je suis assez surpris de lire tout cela.

Tout d'abord, les disputes entre joueurs, ça arrive, et heureusement, ça peut se régler, comme ici. C'est ce que j'appellerais des faits divers, sans importance, on peut aussi jouer avec qui l'on veut, et pas obligés d'aimer tout le monde.

Mais le sujet important, ce sont ces zones où il est possible de se faire agresser, qu'il faudrait, si j'ai bien compris le topic, supprimer, parce que cela dérangerait quelques joueurs, au final pas très nombreux il me semble. Je suis totalement opposé à cette idée, pour plusieurs raisons :

Tout d'abord, ces zones sont peu nombreuses, et au final, n'ont que très peu d'intérêt dans le GP. Inutiles pour monter ses lvl, de niveaux moyens, donc inutiles pour obtenir des mp de qualité (à part un ou deux boss peut être), au point qu'elle sont le plus souvent désertes.

Comme elles sont désertes, le risque de se faire agresser par des amateurs de PvP est absolument mineur. Sauf lors des changements de saison, qui est un moment de jeu apprécié par de nombreux joueurs, justement parce qu'il y a cette possibilité de se combattre.

Ce n'est pas parce que le jeu est annoncé comme avec un PvP consensuel que c'est faux, parce que des zones très mineures ne le sont pas. Avec ce type de raisonnement, on supprimerait les arènes, qui ne sont pas des zones protégées.

Ces zones où il y a un tout petit risque de se faire agresser par d'autres joueurs sont aussi des zones où les nouveaux joueurs doivent apprendre à faire attention à leur environnement, et c'est bien. De toute façon, clairement, tout peut être fait sur Ryzom sans aller dans ces zones.

Donc, pour finir, modifier le jeu et déplaire à de nombreux joueurs qui aiment le pvp parce qu'il y a eu un incident mineur me parait un demande injustifiée. Et je trouve que trop de joueurs perdent la distance qui permet de garder le sourire, dans toutes les occasions.

#22 Added by Bones 9 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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Yes, I agree Djaimse. I could have avoided the area as a whole and taken the long trek. I was lazy and I knew the risks, this is why I was not personally mad about it, since it is a GvG zone. Not all people in game see it this way though and I do respect their opinions for the well being of the game. I have become too comfortable with it and I may adjust accordingly in the future if I am not up for an adventure :D
I am glad this discussion is going much better than others in the past have.
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#23 Added by Virg 9 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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We still completely disagree talk- Homins have a choice to enter a pvp zone- be it on Silan, Lands of Umbra, Nexus or the Matis/Marauder arena. I won't bother discussing any further though- agree to disagree :P

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#24 Added by Talkirc 9 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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agreed my friend, see ya on the big tree :)

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