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#21 Added by Daniyar 1 decade ago [en]

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You all speak how this areas are PvP so everyone need to be prepared to be attacked anytime.
However, you forget the reason this area is PvP exists no more: there is no longer supreme dig spot in nexus ever since merge so the fact that is PvP is only a byproduct off removed content (imo, yomv etc).

Also, pvp is not only reason for which one can go to nexus, there is golden there so.. no content is restricted to pvpers and if it is, shame on game.

In any case, acknowledging Arispotle/Leanon/Aniro don't exist, you must understand people coming from this different places have different game style.. You may say it don't exist anymore so we must all adopt your game style but I see no honour or morale anywhere in killing someone who be already drained hp/sap, like killing a yubo...

Good day to you all.

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#22 Added by Rollocks 1 decade ago [en]

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Daniyar (atys)

Also, pvp is not only reason for which one can go to nexus, there is golden there so.. no content is restricted to pvpers and if it is, shame on game.

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It isn't restricted to PvPers. But anyone who goes there should expect to be attacked. You get this warning every time you enter the zone. Shame of those who go there, get the warning, ignore the warning and the whine when they fall prey to another homin.

Now that vanilla role play has become the standard, I guess the next thing is to enforce vanilla style of gameplay. Great way to package and promote it as some sort of moral code.

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#23 Added by Casy 1 decade ago [en]

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The Nexus is a primary area for future conflict. It is unique in many ways. The sup spots were not the reason.

Ryzom has PvP Areas, and in these Areas PvP is one of the activities of Ryzom. You may try to sneak through and do something there without PvP. But you have to accept PvP at any time.

And morally... you are not a respected pacifist neutral. You are part of a faction that is at war! If you don't like that, read up on lore and find a better alignment and guild for you. You might get killed fewer times. Short: If you do war, you get war.

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#24 Added by Eutrigan 1 decade ago [en]

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Perfectly articulated and brilliantly said wish I would have thought of that earlier or before...
You get a Gold Star congrats for helping me see the light and reminding me why I wage a personal war against AoH and was ticketed several times from AoH whining because I played their own game against them... I had thought that this garbage game play was over, silly me.

Good to know that ignorance is still alive and well in this world, I was thinking that maybe game etiquette and common sense had taken over but as a wise man once told me; common sense is not common and the 2 most abundant elements are hydrogen and ignorance...

Let see how long this game will play out before people open up their eyes and remember what made this game before the merger great and why and when action will be taken...

I guess I need to prepare myself again for tickets logged against me and my alt...

Happy days and good fun times ahead.

Thank you everyone for your input and feedback..

#25 Added by Gkr 1 decade ago [en]

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Sorry bro, but you are the ignorant here, you are saying because you cant take it, you will break the rules, that means disrespect towards players.... we didnt break the rules, yet you said you did it before and will do it again... I believe you have an attitude problem and have no game etiquette.

You must understand that, if you see me in a PvP map and kill me I wont get pissed of, this is normal behavior, this is expected!

Dont break the rules, just do PvP, like all of us... you are setting a bad example here... and I hope you get banned.

Cheers.

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#26 Added by Casy 1 decade ago [en]

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I didn't ticket you but i can see why other AoH did (if they did).

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#27 Added by Virg 1 decade ago [en]

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AoH did actually break the rules many times from what I have heard from players. Aggro dragging in non-PvP areas and i assume that is what Euti is referring to.

Even though ganking in PvP areas is legal- and you are completely correct in that, what I believe was the fundamental purpose in this post was that your attack was gutless. For people to want to get into PvP they have to see the good side of it. If you want more people to PvP you have to be good promoters of it. If you run around ganking people who aren't ready you will push the vast majority of people away from PvP- not towards it. Yes you may have your 3 seconds of fun but you have just pushed a potential future PvPer away from what is a great sport.

You so easily insult and berate Eutrigan for not having game etiquette but let me ask you this. Do you thinking ganking is a particularly nice thing to do? Sure I have done it many times but to players I know well- and I know they can take it. The proper etiquette in my person opinion would be to offer up a duel and give your opponent time to respond and even walk away if they don't fancy it.

The point is yes you were within the law, but you are pushing people away from PvP with your attitude.

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#28 Added by Gkr 1 decade ago [en]

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Virg (atys)

AoH did actually break the rules many times from what I have heard from players. Aggro dragging in non-PvP areas and i assume that is what Euti is referring to.

Yes and they got banned, yet this guy is bragging about breaking the rules and he didnt get punish about it.

Virg (atys)

Even though ganking in PvP areas is legal- and you are completely correct in that, what I believe was the fundamental purpose in this post was that your attack was gutless. For people to want to get into PvP they have to see the good side of it. If you want more people to PvP you have to be good promoters of it. If you run around ganking people who aren't ready you will push the vast majority of people away from PvP- not towards it. Yes you may have your 3 seconds of fun but you have just pushed a potential future PvPer away from what is a great sport.

Yes and I demand from now on at Season Change 10 kamis vs 10 maros, because I feel offended when you guys come in big numbers and kill us and tease us, no way to promote a season change battle, oh wait, it's as design, oh well... Im over it and so should you !!!

Virg (atys)

You so easily insult and berate Eutrigan for not having game etiquette but let me ask you this. Do you thinking ganking is a particularly nice thing to do? Sure I have done it many times but to players I know well- and I know they can take it. The proper etiquette in my person opinion would be to offer up a duel and give your opponent time to respond and even walk away if they don't fancy it.

Nobody insulted Eutrigan, it was the other way around, but then again, you always see whatever you want in a thread and manipulate the information the way it sounds better for you.

The only relevant infos here are:

1. he got killed in a PvP map
2. he threaten to break the rules to show us better!

who insulted who? you tell me!

Virg (atys)

The point is yes you were within the law, but you are pushing people away from PvP with your attitude.

The point is, his way of fixing it, wasnt.. and it's without a game etiquette.

Not sure why yet again you replied to this thread.. you got nothing.

Cheers.

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#29 Added by Zehrix 1 decade ago [en]

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Hey there!

Eutrigan, i see here you make the others inteligent in a sarcastic mode and you say you are the only one here insulted. lol
Before posting in a public forum about someone look first if you write the player name corectly (Kentxtime*).
And i hope you don't think (when you post in a public forum) all of these players will agree with you. There are 2 kinds of players: who disagree with you and who agree with you.

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#30 Added by Casy 1 decade ago [de]

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Virg (atys)

AoH did actually break the rules many times from what I have heard from players. Aggro dragging in non-PvP areas and i assume that is what Euti is referring to.

Just a very short word for this provocation:

In the early days, when this happened, we asked a SGM about the policies on the new server. He told us that mob dragging was perfectly legal. Then some got banned by other GMs, for mob dragging, different reasons or no reason at all. Yes, i can prove that easily... not publicly because evidence contains private communication to CSR which is illegal to publish under german law.

Please play by the rules. Do not insult players for playing the game because the insult is an infraction by itself.

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#31 Added by Suboxide 1 decade ago [en]

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Well Virg all they gonna end up with is less and less ppl going to the pvp maps except in big enough groups to not get killed (so no fair pvp there or none at all), and at op wars it's not gonna be 20vs80 but 20vs160 because then every homin in the game is gonna want to kill them.

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#32 Added by Virg 1 decade ago [en]

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It is a genuine shame you can't see beyond your own self. I hope someday you release that with such an aggressive attitude you will just drive players away from PvP instead of trying to bring them towards it. My reason for posting on this thread is because I enjoy PvP and want to see as many people as possible joining in. If you get players involved then you can kill them more times when they start tagging up. If you kill a player once then start insulting their "etiquette" when you clearly display none yourself they won't start tagging up and you will only be able to kill them that once.

Please think of the bigger picture here.

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#33 Added by Gkr 1 decade ago [en]

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Suboxide (atys)

Well Virg all they gonna end up with is less and less ppl going to the pvp maps except in big enough groups to not get killed (so no fair pvp there or none at all), and at op wars it's not gonna be 20vs80 but 20vs160 because then every homin in the game is gonna want to kill them.

Dude, first of all, read the whole thread I have the feeling you are selective.

The hatred is both ways, not all kamis respect your so called "moral code", you should definitely look into that.

Ulsort (which i think is a highly respected figure in kami world, not sure on that) did the same thing to one of my guildie!!! - He was doing named in EF with his alt and I told my guildie, dont do it, is "immoral", (they way I was taught on Arispotel which i believe is really a stupid conduit. ) and after he finished the named he attacked my guildie with his alt - my guildie did not engage him at any times! and we never had an encounter before.. so it was all new to all of us. (Virg please read this carefully so you dont end up distorting the reality once again).

How did we feel about it? well......... stupid, because we didnt follow the game rules! which states, this is a PvP map, plain and simple! LOL :-)

Also lets not forget about Season Change when we are 30 against 9, nobody sees that as "immoral" or "evil" it's just part of game, "get over it", right?

Yeah you should join the kamis and kill us... because we try to follow the game rules. make your own moral code, see if I care.

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#34 Added by Gkr 1 decade ago [en]

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Virg (atys)

It is a genuine shame you can't see beyond your own self. I hope someday you release that with such an aggressive attitude you will just drive players away from PvP instead of trying to bring them towards it. My reason for posting on this thread is because I enjoy PvP and want to see as many people as possible joining in. If you get players involved then you can kill them more times when they start tagging up. If you kill a player once then start insulting their "etiquette" when you clearly display none yourself they won't start tagging up and you will only be able to kill them that once.

Please think of the bigger picture here.

Same to you brother, whatever works for you is the truth.

Oh yeah, I think your way is better, the so called "friends with everybody" attitude, yet you won a lot of OPs in the game. You are like the school bully, everybody is friend with him and he is friend with everybody, but he does whatever he wants, whenever he wants and you just have to accept it, because he is strong and you are weak.

You have a problem with people doing PvP in a PvP map but you see no problem attacking others on a season change or their lands, oh macro PvP is accepted, but micro is not? LOL

"If you kill a player once then start insulting their "etiquette" - dude, you're staring to freak me out the way you interpret things.... nobody did that, he felt insulted and we explained to him he was in a PvP map, then he start insulting us because he didnt like the answer.

(see above message too, might get a better understanding of the "big picture")

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#35 Added by Suboxide 1 decade ago [en]

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Well GKR maybe I choose my words wrong but true it's for everyone doing it that is putting of others from even thinking about doing pvp (kami/kara/mara/...). Do not forget if you make one person angry and never go down to the pvp maps then all ppl that person in future recruits to his guild might end up with the same idea inprinted by that person. So putting 1 person of pvp might end up putting 20+ ppl in future from it.

I myself am a mara, I love the lore about it and when I can be online i'll take part in all mara events. But I'm never tagged (don't like being interrupted or intrupting ppl) and I don't kill ppl on PVP maps if I'm down there to bosshunt or trek. If an event would ask this from me then I would do it no questions asked but till this that day I rather play a chill homin thats here mostly for laughs and to have fun.

ps. I don't wanna say everyone has to take my playing style but thats the way I like to spend my freetime (and even some worktime) to relax instead of having to turn on the TV.

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