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slot upgrade for guild halls
yes
Atys: Arturia, Ausonius, Jahuu, Sieges, Talkirc
5 (1)
33.3%
you made votes public so i'll click this one (YES)
Atys: Homeless, Jarnys, Kylstaci
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20.0%
Other
Atys: Arfur, Bardor, Casy, Irfidel, None, Rollocks, Yenno
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#1 [en] 

much like the bulk upgrade idea i've posted, this would be for adding more slots to the guild hall storage, right now it's 1000 slots, and that's quickly filled up much like the bulk is also filled up, though i see no real logical reason to have a limit to start with (this is a game after all, not the real world) there is a limit, so i again propose a "upgrade" we can buy in game with dappers to add more slots for our GH's and this too should be an "endless" upgrade, one that can be used over and over adding xxxx slots to what is already there. at a fixed price that is.

or really so much better do away with all these issues and remove the limits in a guild hall, as it's a communal thing, not personal.

please, not negative comments on this post, there's no need for that, if your in support leave your thoughts and your vote, if your not, please don't say a word and don't bother to vote, this would be an optional thing that if you don't like you are not forced to do, so negative isn't needed here.

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#2 [en] 

pre-merge I had slot issues in my apartment but not my GH but wouldn't hurt to get an upgrade there as well ;-)

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#3 [en] 

So people opposed can't respond, huh? What if this actually is a bad idea? Or if there are negatives that need to be worked out?
- This *could* be used as a personal thing, rather than communal. Before the merge, I created a guild just so my unguilded alts could have a logo and silly guild name. With infinite GH space, I could have easily used it as a second, infinitely large, apt.
- There *is* something in real life that's needed to hold items in GH: disk space on the server. The names and properties of items need to be stored in databases (or however it's done for this game). Infinitely large GHs could potentially take up an infinitely large amount of space on the server. Of course, people won't put that many items in their GH, but larger databases still take longer to access (which means longer load times to open the GH inventory).
- Things in this game aren't free. Have a look at your signature, TalkIRC. Ryzom is not a game that gives you a cookie whether you succeed or not...
(to be continued)

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#4 [en] 

- RP says GH, apts, meks, personal inventory, should have a finite amount of space.
- Things in Ryzom aren't free. Take a look at your signature, TalkIRC. Ryzom doesn't give you a cookie whether you succeed or not...

That said, I would support *limited* (but possibly large) potential for GH upgrades *for a reasonably large amount of dap*.

Come to think of it, wasn't this topic posted before? Why was it reposted?

#5 [en] 

Nonea -- this one is not a bulk upgrade but a "slot" upgrade.  All storage is limited both by the number of items and the bulk of the items.  We rarely notice the number limit because we get to the bulk limit much more rapidly in most cases.

An exception is when you are storing several sets (read: a dozen) of jewels for handing out to guildies.  Suddenly you find out that the number of slots is limiting (when combined with suits of armor and the usual stacks of materials).  The answer, of course, is to not store so many sets of jewels and armor.

Talkirc -- As Nonea has already pointed out, increased numbers of slots = more database space needed = increased time to load + increased cost for the server.  In case you think that can't be a problem, I am in another game where a similar storage scheme *became* a problem because nobody cleaned out their lists of "stuff."  That one was solved by a plea to the community, but the "stuff" was the sort of thing that should have been cleaned regularly anyway and people realized that.   Here, there will be a lot more resistance to "clearing out", so costs will go up.  How much?  I don't know; it might be so little as to make no difference, it might not.

And Talk, asking people not to comment in the negative will inevitably result in the suggestion receiving same (see current reactions), or in being ignored by the devs because it clearly is not a serious suggestion. (At least I would...)

-- Bittty (not a dev, either).

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#6 [en] 

Just voted other because I can't take any survey seriously that has no "no" option. As a matter of fact I'm also against this because I believe the limit is ok as it is.

#7 [en] 

I voted 'Other' because there was not a 'No' option.  

The limit is there for a reason.  This game like all games depends on limits for the gameplay to balance.  It is not a matter of restricting 'Freedom'.

Don't hoard mats and gear, and if your GH is getting full its time to start selling stuff.  Or crafting then selling stuff.  Or encourage guild members to get their own apartments and there's your extra storage.

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#8 [en] 

You can easily run out of slots in any remotely well-supplied guild hall. As far as I can tell, most guilds deal with this by setting up guilds made of alts. I am yet to hear of a guild which goes "oh well, we'll pass these mats because we're full".

My 2 dappers is: one expansion should be available, 1`000 slots and 10`000 bulk is a bit low. But nothing spectacular, just maybe a 50% increase of each, nothing more.

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#9 [en] 

i have almost 1000 jewels in my GH :P (yes i'm running out lol)

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#10 [en] 

where is the "no" button?

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#11 [en] 

i left out the no option because these are optional upgreades, i'm guess that ppl overlook the fact that the same load will exsist with the creation of 100 alt gh's, so that's a moot point to use, not to mention that it could cause more of a "server load" because insted of one database file limited to x size, they will have 100 database files limited to x size.

fine, i'll stop giving any ideas, i'll keep my 2 dappers to myself, because i'm alone as a dreamer of everyone getting something they want or would like to find out about. always some reason not to, but never more reasons to.

have fun on the big tree, and enjoy what we've got, but let's face not many of the counter arguments i get really offer a truely valid thing i'm not able to refute or counter right back.

but i'll let my posts i've made die, and will not waste my time offering my personal new ideas to anyone, though you'll still find my support of everyone else's ideas that are not forced changes, as i see no reason to complain or shoot down someone's idea just because i don't want it or won't use it.

lastly for the good points made that i was able to offer counter too, that's fine, i was more aimed at the trollers that always seem to only be negitive and self serving, or serving the potential of stagnation.

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#12 [en] 

Please join me and jump on the white sand in the desert band wagon. This movement needs more homins.

[quote=Talkirc (atys)

fine, i'll stop giving any ideas, i'll keep my 2 dappers to myself, because i'm alone as a dreamer of everyone getting something they want or would like to find out about. always some reason not to, but never more reasons to.
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#13 [en] 

what's the name of the thread roll, i'll get down with it, white sand wouldn't bother me a bit, so i'll support it.

+1

(mainly because it doesn't affect my game play either way, just like i've said about all optional things, it's a choice)

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#14 [en] 

Hey Talkirc: You bring up good ideas, ok ideas, and bad ideas just like every other human on earth (this is all ooc). Since you bring up so many ideas and take the effort to put them into our forum, you've seen arguments before. Don't be disappointed if there's one idea that people really don't like and all vote "no/other".

In research people are happy if one out of ten ideas is a good one and "only" nine get torn apart into little pieces, then eaten and the remains being run over by a stampede (to get back to the infamous Ryzom-Cookie analogy).

I'd encourage you to keep on doing this, even though I like only half of your ideas. ;-) Because in my opinion this whole effort is worth it if there's only _one_ good idea by any user.

Cheers!

#15 [en] 

thanks for the kind words irfidel, and true not all idea's are good, but what get's me is that all i ever seen is negitive comments (part of the time) on the forums, but when i talk to ppl in game, they agree with so much of the idea that i take the time to post it here, someone's recently made it a point to me that i should find the archived forums and search those to use as quotes because these idea's i'm posting now had a huge following back in the day, but never were persued by the company in question, so now ppl don't hardly feel there's any point with really bothering to post ideas, as unless it's RP and has a huge following that i can hang it up. well, i don't really rp, but i do play along.

anyway, i don't see the point every idea i have is for optional stuff, but ppl don't see that part, they just see something to not like and "complain" or shoot down. the key point to my ideas is that a player has to choose to use them, these things would not be forced on you in any way. but still, i hear all the gripes, and more over, i combat them with simple logic making them sometimes eat their own words.

but i'll just keep my words to my self, very much because of the line i've quoted, these are my cookies, and i keep getting slapped for bringing them in the first place.

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