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Atys'ata, Awakened Fey-Lin Liang!

Thank you for suggesting an alternative phrasing for this law after all this time.

I want to remind everyone that Hoi-Cho has proposed to pass this law on Fallenor 16th in the first cycle of Atys-Year 2572 (OOC: March 1st 2013) for the first time. Since then I have been trying to get opinions and response from the other cities.

Additions have been wished for by the Awakened Astarth (about research on the Goo!) and the Awakened Fey-Lin Liang (about Goo not being "goods" or "wares", how to handle Goo without being infected, and how to destroy Goo/have it destroyed). There was silence for a long time whenever I asked for opinions about my draft and the Sages have seemingly not taken a look at the drafts as well; later on also objections were voiced by Fey-Lin Liang...

Please know that a law much like the one that I proposed as my first draft has already been in force in Hoi-Cho before the second Great Swarming. So this law is a matter of concern not only for me but for my hometown - including my mentor and superior, the Awakened Sartyica, and all the other Awakened and Initiates who have gone missing before or during the second Great Swarming, but might return at any time. Also many homins on Atys speaking the dialect of Hoi-Cho have known this law for a long time.

And now a suggestion with nearly no reference to the text of Hoi-Cho is made, but a version with a lot of loopholes instead? Please understand that I cannot just meekly nod my head and say: "Yes, yes, let's just agree to Jen-Lai's phrasing of the law that leaves out an immensely large section of what we in Hoi-Cho have put much thought into, and also Awakened Astarths wishes. At least a law is passed at last.".

Unfortunately a quick approval is out of the question. And I will protest with all my might against any approval of Sages or other Awakened to this new version of the law from Jen-Lai and any votings done about this new law if my drafts that have been suggested repeatedly and have even been a matter of official petitions to the Sages long before that will be ignored by this.

You, Awakened Fey-Lin Liang, did also not just quickly approve of any of the drafts that I have presented since Mystia 3, 1st AC 2572 (OOC: March 4th 2013) http://app.ryzom.com/app_forum/index.php?page=post/view/110429 So as I have been made to wait and worry for this long the working-out of an exact phrasing can still wait a little longer.

Again I want to point out that this law shall inform all newcomers and visitors of the Witherings about unwritten rules that we Zorai think of as "obvious". We Zorai normally would not have need of such a law - which I remember that you, Awakened Fey-Lin Liang, have agreed to.

So I strongly refuse to leave out anything from this law that seems to be "obvious" to us Zorai. We have to take into account that other homins like Marauders think extremely differently and refugees from other countries might very well know nothing at all about our society and principles.

There is absolutely no reason for laws to be "short".
Instead it is very important to not leave big loopholes that could be abused.

So I will take your latest wished for additions into account and rephrase the latest draft to add this - this law will get even longer of course, but there is no harm done with that; since a law that all homins shall understand should also take all eventualities into account that we can think of.

Here's my updated suggestion for the goo-bill - taking into account ALL the additions that have been wished for. Excluding the unanswered questions about Goo that Tao Sian or other officials will still have to clarify (how to handle Goo without being infected, how to destroy Goo):

The Goo is a manifestation of nothingness that threatens the equilibrium of the nature on Atys instead of being a part of it. The only wise way to handle Goo is to bring about its destruction and to decrease its spreading to protect nature.

Those who believe they use Goo actually let Goo use them. The corruption of the Goo affects both the physical shell and the spirit of those who deal with it. So, according to the teaching of the Kami and in the interest of Atys and of everything living on, the Zorai Theocracy forbids any action in attempt to use Goo for whatever the reason or purpose.

In detail the Theocracy hereby forbids the production, use, unauthorized possession, import, export, trading/transfer, advertising/offering of all kinds of objects, item-parts, fillings or components and the like, that are mixed, filled or processed with Goo of any kind in the Witherings.

The Theocracy especially strictly bans the use, equipping, producing and/or trading of weapons and munition made with or from Goo, as well as any kinds of drugs made of Goo.

Transportation of Goo-infected items, parts, fillings, Goo-drugs or the like through the Witherings is forbidden except for the purpose to deliver them to the officials in the capital city Zora. As Goo is a plaque for Atys and everything living on it, Goo-contaminated items, item-parts, fillings, Goo-drugs and so on of any kind are not to be seen as "wares" nor "goods".

Any counteracting against this law will lead to court proceedings and will be punished severely.

The Kamis have granted the task to fight against the Goo to the Zorai people but also ask all willing homins to dig up Goo and Goo-polluted materials from the bark of Atys in order to destroy the Goo. Goo and Goo-polluted materials can be brought to Zora and will be destroyed by the officials there.

Any sightings of Goo-polluted objects, item-parts or the like (especially weapons and ammunition) in the Witherings shall also be reported to the officials of the amber cities as quickly as possible.

Even though fire can be used to destroy Goo please refrain from using fire freely on the bark. Remember the fire of Coriolis; sap can be dangerously inflammable. Fire must never be allowed to spread on a large scale in the Witherings since this could severely damage nature and endanger many species.

Only specifically authorized official scholars of the Witherings are allowed to carefully research the Goo, as it is their task to do so. Interested scientists may ask Tao Sian, the first dynastic physician and renowned scholar, for permission and teachings about such research, to learn about the utmost caution that will be needed with respect for the nature of Atys.

About the "oath of fight against Goo of the people Zoraï": I was told that even Initiates do not have to swear to fight the Goo during their Initiation-ceremony (OOC: at least not in the German version). Maybe our officials think that this oath is not needed since all Zorai know the teachings of the Kamis from the time of our adoption-ceremony when we receive our masks. As I see it the necessity to fight against the Goo belongs to our principle of respect of nature anyways.

If there is still need of changes, additions or rephrasing (maybe it should be "Laï-le Ban" instead of "court"?) I'm of course willing to discuss any concern - not merely misspellings...

I agree with your phrasing of the text.
There's one passage I am missing here though that I STRONGLY insist on have included:

"As Goo is a plague, Goo-contaminated items, item-parts, fillings, Goo-drugs and so on of any kind are not to be seen as "wares" nor "goods"."

We've debated over this for quite a while and I thought we had agreed to put this into the law...

I also think it is - imperative - necessary to make it absolutely clear that only authorized homins will be permitted to do research within the Witherings and that everyone else will be forbidden to do so. Otherwise homins acting against this law could just bluntly claim that they are "only" using Goo "for research"-purposes and this "cannot be forbidden" as long as it's not stated clearly in the law...

So we must close this loop hole before it can be abused!

True, a person's name should not be included in the law - still this law can be updated any time later on. So how about a simpler phrasing, like this:

Only scholars and scientists specifically authorized by the Theocracy are allowed to research the Goo within the Witherings with all caution and respect for nature.

I disagree with your interpretation of the words of the Great Mask about a prohibition of experimentations. Because after our Grand Sage said that "research" on the Goo is forbidden, Tao Sian said that such research had been done by specific officials scholars in the past and is still done in the present. There was no explicit differentiation made between "experiments" and "research" yet.

Please remember that no ban on researches of Goo has existed for some of our cities in the past - but the exact opposite. For two of three cities t has even been a TASK for the circles of the Theocracy to do research to find methods to heal the Goo in the past!

For Min-Cho it was said and STILL is written down in their rules: 11.2. The First Circle will study and seek a cure to the Goo, the disease afflicting Atys. http://app.ryzom.com/app_lore/index.php?page=/projects/puben/wiki /L_ZoraiGovOrg, and also for Hoi-Cho it STILL says: "11.2. Der zweite Kreis soll nach einem Heilmittel gegen das Goo forschen, die Krankheit, die Atys befallen hat." http://app.ryzom.com/app_lore/index.php?page=/projects/pubde/wiki /L_Die_Kreise_der_Zorai )

True: more clear words from our officials will be very helpful to phrase this passage of the law correctly.

The passage about destroying Goo in my version of the law will also still have to be discussed with officials, so I agree with leaving that out for now.

I merely want to remind you, Awakened Fey-Lin Liang, that it was YOUR wish to include a clarification about "how to destroy Goo" (and how to handle it safely without being contaminated) into this law, so that's why I had added it in the first place.

We might have to talk about setting natural fires on Atys later on too I think, at least as soon as it becomes possible again to produce camp-fires. If this was forbidden, there cannot be any Zorai-alchemists in the future, which would be extremely retrenching.

Permanent camp-fires are also being set up in Zora though, which makes it pretty clear that fires like these must be alright to be used though...

The rules of old that were handed down to us say: "Respect of nature: Our culture is built on a deep respect for nature. You must guard against over-exploitation and fire, and at all costs fight against the goo which the Kamis are powerless to repel." http://app.ryzom.com/app_lore/index.php?page=/projects/puben/wiki /L_BeingZorai

This is a bit different from the Trykers' old rules, where the forbidden kind of fire is specified as "dragon fire", while camp-fires are in use in/around Fairhaven: "It is forbidden to spread dragon fire over the lands. It makes the land sterile." http://app.ryzom.com/app_lore/index.php?page=/projects/puben/wiki /L_BeingTryker, also for the Matis, who use camp-fires as well: "It is forbidden to spread dragon fire over the lands. It devours the trees and deprives us of essences for our creations." http://app.ryzom.com/app_lore/index.php?page=/projects/puben/wiki /L_BeingMatis.

So this makes me think that the word "dragon" before "fire" might have only been left out by mistake in the old rules for us Zorai... We might want to clarify this with our officials too in the future...

Kamia'ata,

By reading your opinion, i think i found whre to add again this sentence :

Explanatory articles :

This law applies to Goo under its many forms, as well as to any kind of object, item-parts, fillings or components and the like, that are mixed, filled or processed with Goo of any kind, especially weapons, ammunitions and drugs made using Goo, called afterwards Goo-contaminated items, or objects. Such items , being contaminated, cannot be seen as "wares" or "goods".


I didn't give any interpretation at all, about research or experimentation. If I had to, I would consider these as different, as stated in the N'ASA text about ethics. But then, I guess we can take the risk to add a sentence still, like the following one, just before the sentence about sightings of Goo.

Only scholars and eventually scientists specifically authorized by the Theocracy are allowed to conduct researches on Goo within the Witherings, excluding any kind of experimentation with Goo, and with all caution and respect for nature.

I didn't wish to include a clarification about how to destroy Goo in this law, I asked for a clarification to be done, as a seminary, lesson, whatever . Because it is related to Goo doesn't mean it has to be in the law.

About fire, "Dragon Fire" is a term originating from the false teachings of the Karavan. We cannot allow such words to be used in the Theocracy. There is natural fire, uncontrolled and dangerous, and there is magic fire, which can be produced and controlled thanks to magic.

I agree with your phrasings of the two suggested additions to the law:

"This law applies to Goo under its many forms, as well as to any kind of object, item-parts, fillings or components and the like, that are mixed, filled or processed with Goo of any kind, especially weapons, ammunitions and drugs made using Goo, called afterwards Goo-contaminated items, or objects. Such items, being contaminated, cannot be seen as "wares" or "goods".

Only scholars and eventually scientists specifically authorized by the Theocracy are allowed to conduct researches on Goo within the Witherings, excluding any kind of experimentation with Goo, and with all caution and respect for nature."

For the understanding of older laws/rules and theories about destroying Goo and fire I can foresee interesting discussions with our officials, maybe even at the upcoming Assembly with honored first physician Tao Sian.