#61 Added by Fyrosfreddy 1 decade ago
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#62 Added by Daomei 1 decade ago
I'm very disappointed in the existence of spoilers ....
As for the 20-30 minutes per task, again not possible with a single character since you can't do more than 3 occupations at a time and have the 2 day cool down in between. At best, playing as a single toon, you need 4 days to complete production. To get all 8 slots filled ....7 days.
And where did the "drop leveling" come from ?.... Craft / Sell when standing in front of a hawker means 0 drops.
You'll have to explain to me how standing in front of a hawker is not realistic or any "less fun" than crafting in front of a stable or wherever your selling your crafts.
I also find it quite contradictory when you say working efficiently (as in changing clothes while running) "spoils the fun" of the game, while you have no problem at all using "spoilers" as well as an alt to bypass that "fun" in order to gain a "cat production advantage". That contradiction exists in your 1st paragraph where you have sacrificed the fun of the "logical and mathematical challenge" so you can get the "cat production advantage" of 100% recipes with a "no matter how you get them" approach. Digging in the Egg Room is a challenge and requires the development of skill when you are alone ..... when ya have an alt hiding in the corner, not so much. Where's the "challenge" and the "fun" when there's no risk involved ?
As for fighting, working jabs, kinch or jugs....until ya get to 240ish and need plods, your getting way more XP per hour if ya selecting the proper mob for ya level.100,000 XP / 30 minutes = 3,333 XP per minute .... a rather paltry production IMO.
I'm not saying that "there is no advantage from obtaining cats through advanced occupations." I see a clear advantage when doing them in groups or as a guild effort. But as to being worth the investment for a single player .... single being defined as no outside help from other accounts, alts, spoilers, etc., the math just doesn't work and it's not a real option for unaligned players or small guilds looking to enjoy all the game has to offer without "cheats".
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#63 Added by Magisto 1 decade ago
#64 Added by Crailus 1 decade ago
#65 Added by Fyrosfreddy 1 decade ago
FyrosfreddyI'm very disappointed in the existence of spoilers ....I cannot but tell that a bit hypocritic. I am playing the game since 16 mths now, not since 6 oder 7 years like some, and I want to experience it in broadth and depth.
To exchange products, one needs units from 4 occs at minimum, with bonus crystals for more than 4. It is easily possible to do 4 occs a day when dropping one after producing and taking the next one.
Where I was digging last weeks, I had to look out for my old friend Dai-den, even if a hawker is close by (not always), and I have no beast in the region. Same goes for PR etc. But again, I don't think that it is useful to impose the own style of playing to one another. I would like much more to do more leveling, occs etc. together with others, but it is not possible all time .It is my home stable where my beasts are, where my friends are looking around.
I did mention, btw. that I obtained solutions mainly from friends and guilds who held them, and not for free. I did things for them like showing younger or inexperienced players how to act in the lair, digged q250 mat and so on. That is cooperation and absolutely legitimate. And, again, it is my way to play as an independent player without a powerful guild or alliance and without a cult and the easy porters to PR and 250s. .
As for fighting, working jabs, kinch or jugs....until ya get to 240ish and need plods, your getting way more XP per hour if ya selecting the proper mob for ya level..
Even with your in my opinion unfair and patronizing vilifying of playing with an alt
that is definitely more funny than standing another hour in front of the same hawker
the math does work, fun does as well.
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#66 Added by Dainan 1 decade ago
#67 Added by Dominikus 1 decade ago
#68 Added by Daomei 1 decade ago
I did mention, btw. that I obtained solutions mainly from friends and guilds who held them, and not for free. ..This is exactly how most "independents" get their cats tho I would argue that you could exchange the same efforts directly for cats.
I did mention, btw. that I obtained solutions mainly from friends and guilds who held them, and not for free. ..
I don't use cats for combat skills, just for crafting. But a team of 3 or 4 chain pulling can kill Kinch at the rate of 3 a minute and its a helluva lotta fun.
Please, please , please tell me how the experience of crafting standing in front of a hawker is less fun than standing in front of a stable boy
the math does work, fun does as well.The math only works when one imposes the same set of self imposed restriction on how one does things as you have chosen. By your own words, quitting one occ to take another each day is possible but "too stressful" for it to be a viable alternative. And w/o the ability to practice 4 occs in a day, the math falls apart.
I don't have a thing to say about your choices..... only your insistence that other choices are somehow unworkable or wrong when yours are not.
1. "Changing clothes while running" a fun killing / challenge destroying choice while "using an alt" and "spoilers" is exempt from those same rules.
#69 Added by Yuritau 1 decade ago
#70 Added by Magisto 1 decade ago
#71 Added by Jarnys 1 decade ago
i would say 60% in favor of the idea vs 26% against speaks for itself.
#72 Added by Magisto 1 decade ago
Magistoi would say 60% in favor of the idea vs 26% against speaks for itself.And I would say:First get the forum absentees and the French/German people to vote as well to make the numbers more realistic (100 people are not a very big base).Secondly round mathematically correct or not at all (26.9% -> 27%)
#73 Added by Kennymint 1 decade ago
#74 Added by Jarnys 1 decade ago
Jarnys (Leanon)Magistoi would say 60% in favor of the idea vs 26% against speaks for itself.And I would say:First get the forum absentees and the French/German people to vote as well to make the numbers more realistic (100 people are not a very big base).Secondly round mathematically correct or not at all (26.9% -> 27%)Well since both Aniro and Leanon do not have a similar poll in thier ideas forums, maybe we could just do Arispotle. Apearently the need for cats is much lower in the other servers. Perhaps this has to do with population.Furthermore, the poll has been here for 5 months, i think all had their chance to vote. Perhaps someone missed it, well thats just bad luck.You dont need everyone for a conclusive poll.And thank you for the math. it makes a huge difference.
just raise the dam cat production alrdy
#75 Added by Soloreaper 1 decade ago
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