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#28 Added by Moniq 5 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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A Ranger attacking other homin is no Ranger.

A marauder is attacking a friend of you. You were here you see the beginning of the fight. You can see that your friend is going to die.
What will you do ?
Take part of the fight? Let your friend die?

I will try to make them stop with arguments. I will not fight on either side. If I will be alive after the fight, I will try to ressurect those homins who has died in that meaningless fighting.

#29 Added by Gidget 5 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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I believe that it can be, but often isn't.

However, the rewards always seemed a bit screwy to me. For instance, I fail to see how race really plays much of a role, except between Trykers and Matis who have a bit more contentious history than other combinations of races. The tensions between Tryker/Matis and Fyros/Zorai have more of a factional than racial basis. There is also plenty of tension even within factions, as well as some cross-faction alliances.

We all (probably) agree that fighting an enemy should give greater rewards than fighting an ally, the political realities of Atys are such that coding any sort of system that varies rewards based on race/faction is a bit idealistic unless we have someone constantly updating a spider-web map of alliances that changes about every twelve seconds or so. Then again, the rewards are rather irrelevant here. Sure, PvP points can get you crystals and skirts and shields, but why do we PvP anyways? Some do it just for fun, others to grief, but a lot of PvP is for stuff that helps our guilds or faction like sups, outposts, or bosses.

At the end of the day, whether or not PvP is RP or simply gaming depends how such conflicts affect lore.

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#30 Added by Sinvaders 5 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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I think the situation between Fyros and Matis is pretty bad right now. (look at hidden source "desert" + tower defense being build in Thesos (in front of the kingdom border).

#31 Added by Gidget 5 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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I think the situation between Fyros and Matis is pretty bad right now. (look at hidden source "desert" + tower defense being build in Thesos (in front of the kingdom border).

I'm not so sure about the "right now" part, but it does seem to be headed in that direction. If PvP is RP then I expect Matis to have huge targets on their backs in the foreseeable future. However, it still seems to me that the only real tensions among the races are pairings that include Matis,

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#32 Added by Tryroamer 5 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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#33 Added by Revvy 5 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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[EDIT] Deleted because related to a moderated out of topic post.

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#34 Added by Tamarea 5 years ago Report | Quote Multilingual

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#35 Added by Asheri 5 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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I wouldn't consider PvP by itself RP. I think it can be a part of RP, however. But it needs to be abundantly clear to both parties that it's intended as such.

From what I've seen, the underlying issue is a clash betwen the RP community and those uninterested in RP. If a RP enthusiast ganks someone who has no interest in RP, it's annoying and unwelcome.

An RP tag would be nice (pardon my ignorance if it's already a thing and I haven't noticed it) because the PvP tag only covers the PvP part of RP.

#36 Added by Gidget 5 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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I wouldn't consider PvP by itself RP. I think it can be a part of RP, however. But it needs to be abundantly clear to both parties that it's intended as such.

From what I've seen, the underlying issue is a clash betwen the RP community and those uninterested in RP. If a RP enthusiast ganks someone who has no interest in RP, it's annoying and unwelcome.

An RP tag would be nice (pardon my ignorance if it's already a thing and I haven't noticed it) because the PvP tag only covers the PvP part of RP.

I wholeheartedly agree!

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#37 Added by Revvy 5 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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An RP tag would be nice (pardon my ignorance if it's already a thing and I haven't noticed it) because the PvP tag only covers the PvP part of RP.

Been years we ask for it... it was deactivated after merge in favor of the "Free For All" Tag (considered RP then ? I still don't see how).
+1 for this

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#38 Added by Sinvaders 5 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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I think, they are talking about a tag saying "this player is RP, you can interact RP way with him/her".

#39 Added by Asheri 5 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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I think, they are talking about a tag saying "this player is RP, you can interact RP way with him/her".

That's exaclty what I'm talking about. While PvP can be a part of RP, RP is more than just PvP. An all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares type of situation.

I just think it would be nice to have BOTH a PvP AND an RP tag. To differentiate people who just want to fight, people who just want to RP and people who want to incorporate PvP into their RP.

#40 Added by Tryroamer 5 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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[EDIT] Deleted because related to a moderated out of topic post.

@tamarea please indicate to me to which out of topic post you refer, so that the deleted post can be replicated by me to the extent that the content have not been offensive.

I am not able to recall in detail or even at all the actual content of the deleted post; please repeat that content and make reference to it when reprimanding me or when moving it to that other topic as it would greatly aid my understanding of just what was found to be objectionable and please also let me know to which other topic post you were referring into which i should instead have posted my comments.

I hope this post not be also out of topic. I am but trying to better understand and learn out of the deletion and / or that other topic post.

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#41 Added by Gidget 5 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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That's exaclty what I'm talking about. While PvP can be a part of RP, RP is more than just PvP. An all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares type of situation.

I just think it would be nice to have BOTH a PvP AND an RP tag. To differentiate people who just want to fight, people who just want to RP and people who want to incorporate PvP into their RP.

Given that RP and PvP are separate things, I think a more accurate analogy would be "Some squares are blue, but not all blue things are squares". Aside from that though, you're spot-on.

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#42 Added by Jorgensen 5 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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Can someone please tell me what exactly is Role Playing, in a Ryzom Context? I thought it was just behaving and talking as if you were really living in Atys. I think now this is probably a very simplistic impression. There must be forum discussions about this, just send me a link.