VOS CREATIONS & GUIDES

Bonjour homins

Ceci est la partie OOC associée à l'annonce officielle du Livre des Guildes (Book of Guilds, lancer /appzone 1960) et qui contient les informations techniques non-RP sur le projet.

Mon idée principale était d'essayer d'écrire une app pour Ryzom et de me familiariser un peu avec les limites et les possibilités de l'app zone. L'absence d'une vrai liste des guildes était une bonne opportunité, j'ai donc commencé à travailler sur l'app RyGReg. Vous pouvez en trouver une version alpha dans l'app zone ou lancer (écrire dans le chat) /appzone 1947.

RyGReg, le Registre des Guildes de Ryzom, récupère la liste brute des guildes via l'API Ryzom et l'enrichit avec des informations modifiables. L'idée (au final) est de fournir à tous les homins un outils multi-lingue facile à utiliser pour: voir, rechercher et éditer les informations sur les guildes. Chaque chef de guilde pourra, sans mon aide, éditer les enregistrements de sa guilde ou permettre à certains de ses officiers supérieurs de le faire. Ces deux aspects clef permettront de maintenir à jour la liste des guildes. Nous avons vu la création de 27 nouvelles guildes dans le court intervalle depuis que j'ai commencé.

L'état actuel est le suivant: l'authentification ne fonctionne pas, donc le chef de la guilde doit etre renseigné. Ensuite il/elle peut modifier l'enregistrement de sa guilde sans aucun mot de passe. Si vous n'etes pas enregistrés et si vous souhaitez jouer avec les données dès maintenant, aux premiers stades de développement, nous pouvons nous rencontrer. Si vous me montrez votre titre de chef, je vous ajouterai.

Tous les changement que vous faites dans RyGReg sont aussi affichés dans le Livre des Guildes, ces outils partagent une BD. En travaillant sur l'outils RyGReg et grace aux retours positifs, j'ai eu l'idée d'associer mon intéret pour les guildes avec du RP, et mon idée est, si quelqu'un est intéressé, de faire une mini série ouverte de petits évènements autour du Livre des Guildes et des recherches.

Le Livre des Guildes est supposé etre une Interface Utilisateur RP à la base de données des guildes et refléter ses futurs changements. C'était supposé etre, en premier lieu, un supplément RP, mais il couvre maintenant la plus part de aspects de RyGReg. Je laisserai ça comme cela, mais je recherche des traducteurs. Le système permet d'ajouter n'importe quel autre langue; il est donc possible de traduire dans votre langue et dans n'importe quelle langue de nation. Toute aide serait la bienvenue ainsi que tous les retours.

Le futur de RyGReg dépend de vous tous. Il n'est pas fini et c'est plus une démonstration de possibilités. Maintenant, s'il vous plait, je souhaiterai discuter des 3 bases de l'application :

1) Données enregistrées sur une guilde
Il y a des tas de paramètres modifiables. J'aimerai savoir ce qui vous manque, ce qui serait utile pour vous, pour présenter votre guilde. URL ? Activités ? Time Zones ?

2) Donnée affichées
Comme il s'agit d'une base de données, on peut de base tout combiner avec tout. Quelles données vous intéresseraient ? Quelles données seraient importantes pour vous de voir affichées, qu'est ce qui devrait etre recherché ? Quelle présentation des données vous utiliseriez ?

3) Interface Utilisateur
Je ne suis pas designer et notez que les possibilité de l'app in-game sont limitées, donc RyGReg a une UI minimale, permettant juste simplement d'etre utilisable. Je vous demande pour améliorations et suggestions : à quoi l'Interface Utilisateur devrait-elle ressembler ?

Vous pouvez m'envoyer un tell ou, mieux, un Izam, mais le meilleur serait, si cela vous intéresse, de se rencontrer. On pourrait combiner une partie de RP improvisée avec après une partie OOC/HRP technique. Si ça vous intéresse, j'essayerai d'organiser cela.

Merci pour votre attention.

Moniq
Phaedrea's Tears

A similar list exists, maybe some data can be copied manually?

https://ryzom.byweb.no/g

Good luck with your app :)

Thank you :) I know that list, unfortunately it's far to be complete, just roll a bit down... And I also seen other lists too, but feel free to post any links, will be useful in future research of guild histories.

Thank you for this amazing idea and nicely done app!

Thank you.

Thank you Kiwa :)

Anyway, german version of the book is now available, thanks to hard work of Glibber and help of Sorum.

Great, Moniq! :)
BTW, you can find a lot of guild in the encyclopatys ( http://fr.wiki.ryzom.com/wiki/ for instance for FR)
There, generally, guild pages have name such "Guild of...", "Guilde ..." or "Guilde:...", for instance "Guilde:Cercle du Bois d'Almati", "Guilde:Hoodo". Those pages have full explanations. I do not know if it is useful for you. Maybe also you would add URL.

Ahhh ... I didn't pick up this thread as RyGReg wasn't in the title or would have commented sooner and added suggestions for future additions here.  Love the app so in the interests of making it even better before version 1.0 arrives, .... will list the ones we spoke of for open discussion so folks following the thread can comment and add as I get more experience using it.  So here's my "Wish List".  Most of these fall into "two categories"

a.  User added info
b.  Data there, GUI tweaks


1.  Add a field for a link to the guild's IG forum thread in  "Guild Registry"

2.  Add space for a link to the guild's out of game web site if they have one.

3.  When you open the app, on "home page" put a quick link to folks own guild so they don't have to search for themselves.

4.  Right below allow users to add a quick link to  "Sister Guilds" (folks they are especially friendly with) so they can keep up with their friends activities.

5.  Search function for peeps in the RyGreg database.  So if I searched for Moniq, i would know that, for example, you left PT and joined a Marauder guild :) .... yeay, you added that since we spoke :)

6.  A spot to list origin of guild pre-merge .. i.e. "Arispotle Server , September 14, 2004"

7.  A "News" section where they can post  news Like "Bittymacod marries 4th wife"

8.  A way for guilds to "hide" members (status active or inactive)  w/o deleting them from the database.  Maybe add a "Inactive Members" page in case folks wanna see the status of a IG friend from years ago and how long since been around.

9.  A say for users to "hide / unhide" the activity list and / or control what is "on screen".

10.  An option to "Hide" the MOTD from display.  For example if you had "Phaedras Tears planning to declare on Fluffy Bunnies OP on June 14", you prolly don't want that being publically vieweable :)

Guild forum thread, guild web, related lore link... whatever. Yes, that will be added.



Start page contains searching so you can quickly use the tool. Your details will stay in your profile page (1 click), you can open your guild profile from there (2 clicks) and see your guild members in guild profile (3 clicks). Maybe, in some distant future I will allow users to select which section will be the starting one.



It's a tool for searching and browsing guilds, not social network :P I will allow users to create list of favorite guilds (that list will be available in your profile) and specify a list of friendly guilds to your guild (that list will be available in the guild profile). I think you misunderstand activities. It's just a log of actions related to the user (user was online, user updated guild profile, user added guild member...). Nothing else, mostly actions that did update your guild last activity date and time and the list of actions itself is not too important.



Some options to specify guild origin (non-RP info) and date when the guild was originally established will be added.



I will think about this. But honestly, this type of information is not important. Again, it's a tool primary to help others to find data about guilds. It is not important if Fyrosfreddy has new mek and what's it's name :P



Why? You import members to hide them afterwards? Just remove those you won't show. I will add more options like keep list of members up to date using API key or select those to include in one-time import. Plus some additional options like homin full name, guild title (master trainer, artist... whatever you specify) and so... suggest.


I don't understand, can you be more specific?


MOTD is not displayed and I don't plan to. You see it because you are allowed to edit your guild details and this "tool" is there in case you need to copy and use it somewhere else.


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All changes in backend are not easy because of the Book of guilds. I must do things carefuly with back compatibility to not break (much) the book. Even when a lot of things are not done the best way, because a lot of aspects occured during the time. The first release of the book is final and will not be extended and I do not plan any changes. It will be replaced with second release in the future which will contain all new features.

I don't think I what I trying to convey is getting across, let me try and explain better.  The app is a very useful tool, though one has to be a bit careful on how one interprets some of the information presented.  But having TMI (too much information) on a  screen can often make it harder to find the information you want.

Those 10 items are things that,  to my eyes, will improve the user experience and / or, make the even more useful.  Now keep in mind I have no means by which to judge whether the added functionality is worth the T&E (time and effort) to provide them.  So while I think that these would be useful and welcome additions to the app, they might just require too much T & E to make it worthwhile.  So if something requires too much if  atime investment, feel free to say "Stuff it Freddy, I have a life ya know" :)

Super !

As does any web browser, but don't you think the "home page function" in a web browser is a useful function ?  Same thing.  One single action would be welcome for something that will be done repeatedly ...  right now its 6 actions for me,  ... click - 3 keystrokes (Flu)- click-click to select which of the 2 guilds come up.  Now if it takes 3 hours of programming to make that happen, then I'll feel guilty whining about 6 actions

There was nothing suggested about any type of social networking type activities so I think that metaphor is inappropriate.   But as it has been defined as a  "Guild Browser", the appropriate metaphor would be a web browser.  And a web browser allows one to make bookmarks so as to provide a means to quickly access oft visited pages.

I understand what a logging file does, I guess I didn't explain my point clearly.   My PC has lots of log files, but they are not taking up space on my screen all the time 24/7 when we are using programs and utilities.  Under **default** settings they are there but hidden, you only see them when you click a button asking to see them. When I use Adobe Acrobat, AutoCAD or  a Word Processor I can click on a button which will tell me a full history of all my document edits and when they were made.  I have used that button maybe 3 times in over 25 years.  If they were sitting there 24 / 7, it would just be taking up valuable screen real estate.  If it's not serving a useful purpose, it's in the way.

We have Event Viewer in Windows and it's a fantastic tool.  It logs all system events that occur on my PC.   But, when I land at the Windows Home Screen, I don't have it sitting there with hundreds of lines filling the screen.   I love that I can see them if I want to but when I don't, they are just in the way.  So what I am suggesting  if it can be accomplished without much effort is basic data visible by default, log file data by clicking a "show me more" button.



Super Cool

Well perhaps it was a mistake to use a humorous example as I did.  We can all think of silly things to put in a news section ...  such as what body part the Kardashians have decided to put on display each day, but that doesn't make all "news" unimportant.

As you said, the goal of the app is for it to be a tool for new players to obtain info and be informed such that they can make choices about which guild to approach.  I don't see that any of the following "news items" would be "unimportant" to players so I do not understand why this doesn't fall into the "to help others to find data about guilds" category

[i]"The [insert guild name here] guild has seen declining membership and will, at least temporarily be closing it's doors as of June 30 and merging with [insert guild name here]".  The guild will remain as an alt / storage guild and, if we a resurgence of old members returning to game, we will reactivate it.  Watch this space for news on that topic".[/insert]

[i]"The [insert guild name here] will be sponsoring periodic craft fairs, primarily for new players seeking to gear up.  The first will be held June 15 at Cerakos Gate and will rotate around Atys as needed.  Watch this space for future dates and locations".[/insert]

[i]The [insert guild name here] has been an active [insert faction name here] guild for over 4 years.  However we are seeking a change of pace and are undergoing preparations go join the  [insert faction name here] as of July 15".[/insert]

[i]"The [insert guild name here] has lately experienced a significant influx of new players and in order to be in a position to adequately address the needs of those new members, will not be accepting any new members until after July 30, 2017.  Watch this space for updates."[/insert]


Again, the goal of the tool is to provide accurate and usable information to new players.  A guild that has been around for a long time will have many inactive players.  These member are generally not deleted for various reasons say because every few months or years, they return for a stint and then take another "vacation from game".  Or they may have say joined a year ago, but had budget issues, moved and they may or may not be coming back.  If not seen for a certain time, many guilds cull the list after a certain time frame.

So if a new player is looking for a person to contact in that guild, a list that includes 50 players that haven't been around in 18 months serves no purpose, it's just "in the way".  The clutter does make it harder to weed out the 15 active players from the list that is often well over 100 players.

On that note, it sounds like it may be impossible, but is there any way to make the player status not dependent on whether the players are / are not using the RyGReg app ?

Let's say I am looking for a Guild and I find one called "Bunch of Drunks" and I decide they are "right up my alley" based upon what I read.  So I go to the app members page and for each of the 76 members listed it says "Last Seen = Never".    Now that would put an end to any thoughts I had about joining that guild.  Even though that guild may have had 12 players logged in at the moment, because they haven't installed the app, from what that new player is seeing, that guild is a "dead guild".  (perhaps an explanation warranted here)

If the guilds had the ability to edit the list characteristics and define who is active and who is not, now that player knows that he is considering a guild that currently has 18 active players.  They can send an IG mail or PM to people on that "active list" inquiring about membership with a  reasonable expectation of getting a response.  More importantly, he hasn't crossed the "Drunks" off the list of guilds he might be considering.  Yes, if course we could just import the list from the API and edit out those folks, but when they resurface, I'd rather be able to make them active with click than clciking "add", typing names in and selcting rank.

See item 9 for suggest way to address this ... again if feasible.if it's feasible



Guild Home Page

Right now .... if scroll down to bottom of page I see  "Last Activity" with a long list of data I can scroll thru

What I am suggesting ...

... if I scroll down to bottom of page I'd like to see  "Last Activity (Hide)"  and once I click "hide"
... that long list wont be there any more and I will just see "Last Activity (Unhide)".  Whether I have that info taking up screen real estate depends on my choice at any give time.

Members Page:

Add:

No. of Members:
No. of Active Members
No. of Inactive Members:
Active Members List last edited: [date]
"Show / Hide Inactive Members" button

Again here it's all about easing screen clutter.  Most times the list of inactive members is of no use so it's just in the way.  But say I am a returning player an I wanna know say if an a old friend was in a certain guild is he still playing.  If not in active list, I can open inactive member list... if not there, then it's likely they moved on to a new family.

Yeah, I think that would make lotta folks unhappy.

Can this be used to edit / change the MOTD ?  Right now I just edit a text file because typing it fresh, with my typing skills, usually means doing it 3 times :)



Question:  I would like to list our Alt Storage Guilds ... now when on the edit page I see "Alt guild to" ... which implies that this should be the Alt guild page and I should be putting "Fluffy Bunnies" in that space.

Do I have to create the pages for the alt guilds 1st, put FB in those pages to have them appear on the FB page ?   EDIT:  Well I tried it and it worked.

Hallo homins

La nouvelle version de RyGReg, Ryzom Guild Registry, a été publiée. Il s'est passé du beaucoup de temps depuis la dernière annonce voici donc des détails sur les changements récents.

Ce qui est nouveau

La structure de la base de données des guildes s'est stabilisée. Les chefs (ou autres membres autorisés) peuvent éditer tous les détails de base de la guild, éditer les membres soit manuellement ou importer à partir de l'API de la guilde, publier l' à propos/déclaration/histoire de la guilde dans toutes les langues de la guilde, fixer les relations avec les autres organisations d'Atys et ajouter des liens vers d'autres sources externes.

Les utilisateurs sont autorisés à chercher des guildes par différentes options ou, nouveau, naviguer dans toutes les guildes dans la base de données. La table de la liste des guildes est triable par les colonnes de la table et l'affichage des colonnes peut être customisé. Au lieu des changements récent, l'activité de la guilde est affichée. Les utilisateurs peuvent aussi rechercher les membres de guilde par leur nom.

L'activité de guilde semble bien fonctionner et il y a aussi la table Recent guild activity qui affiche la liste des guildes actives dans les 30 derniers jours.

Il est possible d'exporter l'information de base de la guilde encodé de manière utilisable pour poster dans le registre du forum.

À propos et changement de politique de confidentialité

Il y a de nouvelles spécifications à About section pour cette application. Vous devriez prendre un moment pour lire les informations d'à propos et les détails de la politique de confidentialité. Tous les retours sur cette déclaration sont les bienvenus.

Utilisation et installation

Vous pouvez lancez l'application IG en utilisant la commande /appzone 1947 à partir de n'importe qu'elle fenètre de chat or installer RyGReg à partir de App zone. Toutes les sugestions sont les bienvenues.



Traduction fournie par Kythqaaa

Bonjour les homins

J'ai sorti une nouvelle version de RyGReg, l'outil de Registre des Guildes (Ryzom Guild Registry).

Les profils de Guilde

Le modèle des pages de profil des Guildes ont changé. Le graphique des zones horaires a été amélioré, et un graphique des langues de la guilde a été ajouté. La liste des activités est maintenant sur une page séparée, et on peux y consulter l'historique complet, plus un graphique d'activité de la guilde. Le code qui exporte le profil de la guilde vers le forum a aussi été amélioré, et dispose de plusieurs options. Les guildes qui ont configuré une clef API peuvent automatiquement y afficher la liste de ses membres.

Mise à jour

La mise à jour de la liste de la guilde a été améliorée, pour éviter du trafic inutile. On peux voir l'état du serveur et des détails dans 'Mises à jour récentes'.

Icône d'application dynamique

L'application utilise une nouvelle fonction des app zones, qui permet d'afficher une icône dynamique dans la barre d'application ou la page d'accueil. Si tu es membre d'une guilde, en installant et en utilisant cette application, tu participes à la mesure de l'activité de ta guilde : ta présence sera périodiquement loguée dans la base de donnée des guildes.

Meilleur intégration avec les autres applications

En plus de l’icône améliorée, il y a eu des améliorations d'intégration avec le navigateur IG. De plus, on peux changer la page d'accueil de chaque application dans les paramètres de personnalisation des apps. On accède à ces paramètres via la section, et de plus maintenant, par un clic sur le nom d'application dans le menu principal, ou vos options Formulaires et filtres.

Utilisation et installation

On peux lancer l'application IG avec la commande dans le chat /appzone 1947 ou installer RyGReg à partir de la App zone. Toutes les suggestions sont bienvenues.





Traduction fournie par Craftjenn

Will go take a peek.

But if I understand correctly ... guild activity is only recorded if someone has at least 1 of your applications installed. Which part of the API key must be included for this to happen ?

How often is periodically ? ... looks like about 2 hours. Two constraints here I would guess.... if you don't do frequently, some one who is on 1 hour a day will likely be missed ... if someone doesn't log out... you will have 12 entries a day, that leads to a lot of nuisance entries.

None, just authenticated. I am not using last login/logout data from API.


Your presence is recorded every time any app see you online and if it is longer than ~60 minutes since last record. Thanks to dynamic icons I can do this also when you (re)load your app bar or home page. And in case you are guilded ofc.