IDÉES POUR RYZOM

@Placio: Was simply in response to your comment of 'a complaint writing campaign'.. seems a little over the top ^

I am not trying to crap on your post, merely re-direct it towards something that I could foresee of being actual use and worthwhile designing/implementing- PVP MA vest/sleeves.

To be fair, after also seeing Daomei's comment, I do have to back down from my initial position.

Some armors *are* over the top. Thankfully MA isn't very useful past level 100, so we don't get to see it on people. Still, I do see Fyros HA on females and it's bloody ridiculous for the reasons stated by Daomei.

Also, Virg, I do agree with Placio on something: we live in an isolated bubble. The community is very small and acquires new members incredibly slow; the churn rate of all guilds who actively recruit is .. sad. The userbase is used to the status quo, and works with the existing assets or around them (e.g. females avoid wearing Matis MA unless they're actually frisky).

Now, if the game is going to have some good exposure (Steam etc), it will attract a lot of people with expectations vastly different from ours. There is quite a good possibility to see an initial surge of new players, only to drive them away almost immediately with the game's shortcomings. Having them write disparaging reviews is (in a way) worse than the "no exposure" situation. You only get one shot, you don't want to blow it :)

So, in that regard, simply adding a decent armor is not "a whim" of a player, but actually a safeguard for the (somewhat) near future.

I do understand however I have played other MMOs and some armours are quite comparable to ryzom homina MA. Skimpy female armour seems to be quite a common trend. There are too many things that require 'fixing' in Ryzom to the point where (in my opinion) we actually just have to ignore the ones that haven't bothered many people over the years and instead focus on bringing new content into the game and fixing the major issues. Whilst it is important to make sure newcomers are happy, there is also a large base of players waiting to return to ryzom when new content is released (i.e at least 30 marauders). I am all for adding decent armour but I think we have different opinions of decent :)

Having said this, @Placio, I don't think adding new items into the game will require much work, as long as they are handed to the devs pre-made in the correct format (3DS or something). There is logic behind this post so if you found some RF volunteer to make the armour pieces it *should* be able to be implemented :) [Don't take my word for it though]

Looool was at wedding 2 weeks ago and actually met an old ryzom dev.

Had lovely intresting talk one thing that came up was:

His words where did they ever add in the new armors and weapons that where developed in 2006, he gave an example of an matis MA with feathers.
My words where like nope
His words where sad but they probably got no idea how to ever do it since all i hear they doing these days are hacking the game and doing web stuff instead of proper programming 

.. then he started to rant about new client made 2 years ago that added anti alising and fixed exploits like ppl doing dance of elder while they aren't and other exploits he knows are still ingame but not talking about em and the sad story of ryzom ring

So why doesn't he come back and help get it done the right way Sub? Ryzom Forge would welcome his help. He can come fix stuff, as well as help develope things.

Next, From last Ryzom Forge meeting, i got the feeling one priority was to make NEL plugins for free software like Blender so others can contribute graphics to Ryzom rather than use 3DMax which is very expensive.

So... if anyone can help in that department, then we can add content like new armor and so on. Otherwise, why even suggest new things we want until the basics are accomplished?
That is where help is needed! If we can't get that done, then it seems apparently nothing will get added unless you have 3DMax.
Who can help?

not everyone has the time to help or has to be happy how game is run now and forge and such

I want to add a few comments.
1. This is the idea forum. It is absolutely appopriate to suggest whatever idea. Determining the priority of its realization, even if approved, remains with the devs, respectively the developing and designing body formed by Winchgate and Ryzom Forge.
2. Design and creation of new armor is part of the second stage of the original Ryzom Forge roadmap. The first step, creation of objects for apartments, nation and city banners etc., has been successfully accomplished. While to my impression, the emphasis in RF now is bit more on accomplishing tools for a wider base of developers, and new goals evolved such as the "ring 2.0" pocket worlds, I think that this plan has not been abandoned. Therefore armor design proposals are absolutely appropriate.
3. There is a proverb in German that one cannot argue about matters of taste ("über Geschmack kann man nicht streiten"). But even if some are in disagreement about inappropriateness of certain armor parts, they should at least respect that others feel their pleasure and their choices infringed by a one-sided style of certain female armors. The proposal, btw., was to extend the choices, not to ban certain armor skins.

It should be obvious that the proposal is not of highest priority. Yet we have also campaigned e.g. for the introduction of hairdressers and tatooist in the marauder camp though this concerned clearly a minority of the playerhood. For me was important when supporting these proposals that the status quo without this option reduced fun and pleasure for the players concerned.

In fact, I consider the situation a gender discrimination of both females, being more or less urgeed to wear clothing with the emphasis on sex appeal, and males being denied the same - or, under different consideration, granting males the fun of liberal sight of the features of the opposite sex while denying it to females. For females, it is to some extent humiliating not to be taken serious and allowed to wear practical stuff for the tasks to fulfill. I doubt, e.g. that the view of mammal's reproductive features infight will overly impress or divert aggressive amphibians, reptiles, insects, or birds.

Of course, minors will not be traumatized by the armors criticized. I fail to see that they would even by more liberal or no clothing unless having been traumatized and crippled before by inappropriate prudish and cruel education. And, as I mentioned before, Ryzom is neither the only nor the worst game under these considerations. Yet. one of the great features of Ryzom is the variability and the large number of choices to adapt the appearance of the player characters. And I understand the proposal as a step of extending and enriching these possibilities.

Therefore I do not fully understand the polemics. In the course of development of RF there will be opportunities to design and create new armors, and such is already underway. Of course, no important developments should or will be delayed therefrom. Those who e.g. are now designing the new armor for lady Ailan,will most probably not be immediately stopping to think about armor design after accomplishing that task.

Yes please. I hate the look of matis MA pants, or I will always be forced to wear LA caster pants then :)

Males should be forced to wear those pants, or go naked, the look and feel is nealy identical :P
(beginning to think like a lost girl ^^, bad luck for you males :P)

Just my two cents worth here. As an MA crafter and wearer and, perhaps more to the point, an OUTFIT crafter and wearer, I have to agree with many of the above comments I (forget who argued for what). It all boils down to choice; more of it. I don't thing many people are seriously offended by how a cartoon is dressed. In the past there have been many discussions about, say Wonderwoman, Jessica Rabbit or Xena, and none of the arguments have affected the popularity or dress style of either. The argument then, as now to the Mary Whitehouses of this world is, if you don't like it don't look. Sure it may originate in a male dominated design world, some time way back when even I was a kid, in order to titilate a predominantly male-dominated audience, a large number of which then, as now, were somewhat underage. i think arguments about choice, however are equally as valid as those about decency, and that it is important to remember when upholding one person's choice, liberty or free speech that you are not restricting someone else's.

Anyway, I'm all for MORE armour choices, of all types, and as stated above, the fyros HA top concerns me much more than MA choices which in my experience as a Master MA crafter with a once-full order book, that MA is more often than not worn for effect than effectiveness. But as also stated, this is hardly a priority. I would much rather see more Lands added, for instance, for us all to explore, with new MoBs and races etc than argue over the niceties of our varied and wonderful collective dress-sense. /Ffi