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Abolish artificial restriction "Fraction/Nation<->Guild

Revvy
You should read the Bible then, if you already did read the Lore and you end up with this sort of idea.
I have, and that is a large part of why I feel the way I feel about Atysian religion.
Revvy
Imagination is good :)
But when it is written black on white by the author(s) you cannot deny it forever
I've read too many things from authors that held back major plot twists and seen too many retcons to not be skeptical. Now, I might feel different if the lore team came out and said Atys was a totally and utterly stagnant world that never evolved and never would, but unless/until that happens, I'm going to take them at their (current) word that player actions have an effect on which direction the lore goes.
Revvy
Overall reading the rest, i really think you guys are mixing (voluntary?), the actual design of the game (gameplay for convenience to have fun) with the gameplay supported by the lore and the roleplay injected in game by players.
It doesn't feel voluntary. If it did then there would be far less friction in the community, and you wouldn't have people feeling they are being told, "You're Ryzomming wrong!".
Revvy
Not to mention all these massive in real life comparison about everything related to this game, Ryzom..
It is not only you Gidget, even if i use your post to talk about it.
Homins are controlled by humans. No matter how much you try to deny it, that means there is a strong link between Atys and RL. And it has to be that way in order for any sense of immersion to be possible. Not everyone can step far enough outside themselves to totally ignore their humanity while logged in. For many, parallels to RL are the best (possibly only) way for Atys to have enough sense of familiarity to even make sense as a cohesive world. If you can step further outside yourself than most folks, then good for you, but don't forget that that makes you part of a small minority.
Revvy
To be back on the (closed) topics.

You want it or not, Kami and Karavan power's are not friends, and so the Homins following them.
Same goes for the resurrection gameplay mechanics which is Lore supported/driven (you can't play Nung, its a myth a legend)
Christianity and Islam are not exactly friends, though hostilities between them are not quite what they were during The Crusades. In fact, there have been many instances of them sharing common goals. For instance, any time a Christian does an act of charity, they are acting in accordance with one of the five pillars of Islam. To claim that Kami and Karavan can never follow that same path is, at best, immersion-breaking. And as for Nung being a myth and legend, the same could be said of many other prominent religious figures.
Revvy
The restriction for guild is purely gameplay based, it is to guide players into different paths (the nationalist, the religious.. etc), it is an engine to the game mechanics where you can choose a side white or black or blue, and play against each others to have fun OOC and to drive the story a step further IC.

In case you do not want to be part of any conflict, you may want to stay neutral in game, but you will have limitation with players that did the choice to take part in a conflict (aka been kami, kara, mara, whatevera).

Now the problem nowadays is, you are entering a faction for the teleportation system it do provide.
You don't take part in the conflict, nor wish to do so.
Show me the Neutral 250/PR TPs then. Being forced to choose a side because one is penalized for not doing so utterly ignores the definition of Neutral that many English-speakers know that it actually feels offensive. Likewise being barred from playing with those who chose a different different transit system to avoid the "Neutrality penalty" seems capriciously arbitrary.

Overall, the lack of neutral 250/PR TPs is the root cause of a lot of the problems here. There may be those who say that Neutrals deserve no 250/PR TPs because they were/are not in the conflict, but they'd be giving a large part of the Ryzom community a big middle finger for not sharing their view that factions are THE most important thing ever in the history of everything. That would in turn lead to... well, the sort of conflicts you and I have so often.
Revvy
So you are surprised and don't understand why you cannot play with your best friend forever from Karavan when you are in a Kami guild.
And then naturally cry about freedom and liberty to do whatever you feel like because you pay the game like everyone.
Factions exist since the creation of the game, and the game is based on it.

You choose this game knowing what it is from start, that is also why this post is closed and refused.
I am surprised that an international game seems to have so little respect for the cultural difference for those outside the borders of the country the game was developed in. Or maybe it's just the community that is that way. Well, what's left of it; I know many folks who no longer come to these forums and/or have turned off Uni because disengaging from the community was the only way for Ryzom to remain playable. But keep on insulting the core personal beliefs of part of the player base. That will get folks to see things your way!

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