Yuritau
Why must you assume I'm whining, simply because I express a contrary opinion? Do you think Revvy is whining for calling anti-PVP opinions 'poisonous'?
I'm well aware that PVP is part of the game and wont go away (much as I would like that), and I don't have a problem with people enjoying PVP if that's what they enjoy. My problem is people constantly looking for new ways to expand PVP without regard for the fact that some people just don't want it at all.
You want a suggestion? Do whatever you want with PVP, but find a way to do it without making the game worse for those of us not interested in participating. I've already accepted, many years ago, that my experience of the game will be limited to an extent by my unwillingness to PVP. I don't need it limited even further.
Never mind. When I read your contribution it is of course a contrary opinion. But a negative opinion without constructive contribution for the improvement to the topic is simply complaining. One should recognize that.
But what I hear now is that you don't think it is appropriate to think along. You don't even want to deal with it. Quote: "You want a suggestion? Do whatever you want with PVP, but find a way to do it without making the game worse for those of us not interested in participating." If you want it to be understood this way, please stop writing, or bring in new ideas on how to PRACTICALLY improve something without disturbing the non-PVP.
Not quite Atys is a PVP area and that is also GOOD! Some areas are simply PVP or have become PVP. One is forced in the countries of Umbra, if one wants to dig the materials there for example, to accept the risk of being killed too.
Let me give you a practical example of how this might look with fame, so that you understand that it is not an expansion of PVP, but rather an incentive for orientation.
Let's say Yuritau is digging in the roots. A Mara comes and tries to kill him. In that case, no matter who wins, the fame of the Mara or the fame of Yuritau increases. If one kami defeats another kami, the fame of the victor decreases. The defeated kami neither receives a death penalty nor his fame is changed. Another example: If a Ranger and a Mara in the team defeat a Kami in the Roots, the Mara's fame will increase, but the Ranger's fame will decrease. If you don't fight, you won't have any problems with your glory, only that you will be resurrected like now.
Basically it's all about the consequences of the doer and not the victim. I hope I have made it clear once again how it is meant.